SS Unit Name

[Chancellor]

What are these guys called?  I made them in-game but I don't know what to name them in the UCS file.

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[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Verf%C3%BCgungstruppe

Information at the pic in "Fraktur" (a german type face) is:
Left: "Paradeanzug der SS.-Verfügungstruppe - Scharführer"
full dress (for parade) of the SS.-Verfügungstruppe
Right: "Dienstanzug, Mantel - Oberführer, Amtschef"
service dress, overcoat - Oberführer, Head of office (administration)

So all information u need u could found at this pic

[Chancellor]

Alright thanks man.     The letters in the pic were pretty small, so I couldn't make them out.

[HyperSniper999]

Death Camp Guard SS?

[IJoe]

Death Camp Guard SS?

Yep.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Death Camp Guard SS?

Yep.

NO

SS-Verfügungstruppen:
An armed force to represent the ideological warrior of the nationl socialism. They were the base for the Waffen-SS. Political soldiers Hitler needed to fight his war.

[IJoe]

According to various witnesses these (the ss) were divided into three subgroups, one of which was specifically dedicated to particularly guarding the death camps. Other two were personal Hitler guards, and the actual battle force.
Some authors say, that there was a rotation between these three branches, others don't. But anyway, these three were one until the certain moment they were divided.
Post Merge: April 08, 2011, 04:57:05 AMHere are few quotes from the link YOU, Lord Rommel, have provided:

...The military formations under Himmler's command on 1 September 1939 consisted of several subgroups:

    Hitler's bodyguard unit the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler under Obergruppenführer [4] Josef "Sepp" Dietrich.
    The Inspectorate of Verfügungstruppe under Gruppenführer Paul Hausser, which commanded the Deutschland, Germania and Der Führer regiments.
    The Concentration Camps Inspectorate (Inspektion der Konzentrationslager) under Gruppenführer Theodor Eicke, which fielded four militarized Death's-Head Standarten comprising camp guards of the SS-Totenkopfverbände. These would be formed into a division[5] after the conquest of Poland, and folded into the Waffen-SS in August 1940. These troops wore the SS-TV skull and crossbones rather than the SS-VT "SS" runes.
    There were in addition combat-trained non-SS police units of Obergruppenführer Kurt Daluege's Ordnungspolizei which reported to Himmler in his capacity as Chief of German Police. For the 1940 campaigns these also would be formed into a division, which would be placed under Waffen-SS control in January 1941 and merged into it in February 1942...

...The SS-VT was renamed the "Waffen-SS" in a speech made by Adolf Hitler in July 1940; on 1 August Himmler established the Kommandoamt der Waffen-SS (Waffen-SS Command Office) within the new SS-Führungshauptamt (FHA) under Gruppenführer Hans Jüttner. The Totenkopf Division and other SS-TV combat units were transferred to FHA control...

Am I missing on something?

[Blackbishop]

@IJoe
Sorry dude, but the article doesn't say that. It says that SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV) were in charge of the camps and the SS-Verfügungstruppe (SS-VT) was a combat group than later would be renamed Waffen-SS.

In your quotes say "SS-Totenkopfverbände worked on Concentration Camps, until they merged into the Waffen-SS in August of 1940. The SS-Verfügungstruppe was renamed Waffen-SS in July 1940. SS-TV soldiers wore kull and crossbones and SS-VT ones wore SS runes."

So, what Rommel said is true.

[IJoe]

@IJoe
Sorry dude, but the article doesn't say that. It says that SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV) were in charge of the camps and the SS-Verfügungstruppe (SS-VT) was a combat group than later would be renamed Waffen-SS.

In your quotes say "SS-Totenkopfverbände worked on Concentration Camps, until they merged into the Waffen-SS in August of 1940. The SS-Verfügungstruppe was renamed Waffen-SS in July 1940. SS-TV soldiers wore kull and crossbones and SS-VT ones wore SS runes."

So, what Rommel said is true.

Well, first, august comes after july, and second, they kept on carrying their duties after they were merged into waffen ss, meaning THEY ALL WERE WAFFEN SS (the death camp murderers as well).
Post Merge: April 08, 2011, 07:09:10 AMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

Before 1929, the SS wore the same brown uniform as the SA, with the exception of a black tie and a black cap with a Totenkopf, skull and bones, ("death's head") symbol on it. In that year Himmler extended the black colour to include breeches, boots, belts, and armband edges; and in 1932 they adopted the all-black uniform, designed by Prof. Diebitsch and Walter Heck.

Meaning that the "merry roger" wasn't an exclusive sign of the tottenkopf division, but rather a general ss sign.

[Blackbishop]

Sigh... since July 1940 there wasn't SS-Verfügungstruppe anymore, only Waffen-SS.

That means, the group existed as a Nazi armed force, doesn't matter what they did after July 1940, since they were merged in a diferent "team"; so there's nothing to discuss here.

[IJoe]

Sigh... since July 1940 there wasn't SS-Verfügungstruppe anymore, only Waffen-SS.

That means, the group existed as a Nazi armed force, doesn't matter what they did after July 1940, since they were merged in a diferent "team"; so there's nothing to discuss here.

Triple sigh...
Then that must be some anime at the top. Some "space-nazis".
Since we're talking about the regiments, that actually took part, or were present during the war, not about dinosaurs or Napoleon's epoch landsknehts, this argument of yours is simply invalid to bring. "Vernu:ngsgruppe", or not, - these are the very same men and in the exact same (or at the least in majorly such) uniform, as those, who did the actual killing in the camps, and not only there.
So there was no need to bring about these pictures and this topic to this apolitical forum in the first place, since it's not an ss fansite, nor is a harbor of professional historians, abstractly discussing details of ss uniforms.
Somehow NKVD abbreviation is even out of the game files' names by now, yet this is here in front of my eyes!

[Blackbishop]

Quad sigh... Sorry but you didn't make a valid point about how my argument is invalid. Of course all those guys worn the same uniform, they belonged to the same organization, the SS.

Besides, the topic is completely valid, he's not trying to make propaganda for anything, he just asked a question and was already answered, and there wasn't necessary to make a fuss about it.

That reminds me this topic is done, since LordRommel already cleared any doubts about the identity of the soldier depicted in the picture.