[3.1] Commonwealth Units Overpowered?

[Desert Journeyman]

Feel free to give basic hints on good gameplay is it's obvious that I'm "doing it wrong," but here's the jist of things:

Whether on 'Easy' or 'Normal', the Commonwealth easily defeats me in the early game when I play Panzer Elite.

For one thing, each of the Commonwealth's basic infantry is worth at least two or three units of Panzergrenadiers, fighting from cover -- even when I use anti-personnel grenades or long-range rifles. To make matters worse, their infantry rifles are effective against my scout car, making short work of the vehicle when it is confronted by more than one squad at a time. Often, the MG on the scout car merely pins, but does not eliminate, one enemy unit.

Secondly, the Commonwealth's Bren carrier takes no damage from my infantry, who are usually still teching up to anti-tank grenades when it arrives, and could anyway only throw one grenade before having to recharge over 100+ seconds.

I've tried to play a quick game, seizing points far afield to distract some of the enemy's strength, and dropping anti-tank mines everywhere, but the Bren's range means that it rarely has to choose battles on my terms by moving through chokepoints.

Any advice? Thanks in advance.

[Cranialwizard]

Try providing a replay of PvP games. In reality, those are the only ones that matter, because a human will never play like a CPU.

As for the CW, it's all about tactics against their infantry. Try providing more cover for your troops, and use them in groups. I don't find much a problem tackling their units with Wehr and their early infantry is weaker than the PE's.

If your troops are severely outnumbered it's best to retreat, and fight another day. 2 PE Grens are better than 1.

[RedGuard]

hmm sounds like ur tactic are lacking somewhere

download some replay i think and watch to see how to get better
many many available if you would spend 2 min on search

[Paladin88]

If you think that the commonwealth on easy or med is hard then you have not seen expert! The best strategy that works against the commonwealth infantry rush is mortar halftracks. If you are able try channelling them into a kill zone like in the map called The Sheldtz or whatever that is. Try to hold off the ai with panzer grenadiers until your halftrack mortar can get them! If you can get 3 mortar halftracks then ALL commonwealth infantry will be turned to mincemeat from the barrage.

The main problem with this strategy is the timing. You need fuel for mortar half tracks and it costs too much. So perhaps it would be better to get a friend (even an ally AI) to hold off their brunt until you can get them.

The annoying thing about the panzer elite is their vehicles mostly suck overall. unlike the wehrmarcht which has good armoured cars the panzer elite ones can easily be bested even with small arms fire.

If you post your email address I will try to send you a replay (that works only on v.2.601 of tales of valor not eastern front) showing you what I mean. It is only an example though and perhaps won't work on more open maps

[Cranialwizard]

I strongly recommend not practicing for actual gameplay against AIs. AI matches are meant to be there when you absolutely can not find anyone to PVP with.

PVP is a much better experience as your opponent responds according to your actions. For example, if you whip out a Sherman all of the sudden, most humans will respond with Shrecks or possibly tanks, Pak38s etc. AIs will just continue to build whatever the hell it wants. If you have 5 Shermans on the field the AI may just choose to build officers and pios. Of course, it's not PROGRAMMED to spam them on a regular basis, but that's an example.

They are also programmed to build bunkers/mg emplacements and brit sim cities on maps in specific spots, so they are also highly predictable.

PVP Games are not like the campy Lyon "Okay defend the middle till we get tanks and blow the bridges and rush"

That's not skill, that's inconsistent spamming When you play a map like that resources are pretty much divided evenly.

Yes, Expert CPUs are difficult to defeat. But that's because they obtain wretched resource boost and buffs to aggressive infantry.

[Gatorbate]

The recon jeeps with the recoilless rifles are extremely OP. They have far more health than a standard American jeep and yet demolish light vehicles with 5-6 shots. PE Armored Cars and even upgunned Pumas don't stand a chance.

I think their range and armor need to be nerfed.

[RedGuard]

you can shoot them to death with rifles, why are they OP?

[Cranialwizard]

What the hell...?

They can be knocked out with Panzerfaust, even just their rifles! Just because you can't see individual health doesn't mean it's OP...

Unless Jagdtigers and King Tigers can't kill them in 5 shots then they are not OP.

[Paladin88]

you can shoot them to death with rifles, why are they OP?

+1

[Zerstörer]

The recon jeeps with the recoilless rifles are extremely OP. They have far more health than a standard American jeep and yet demolish light vehicles with 5-6 shots.

No, they don't have more health and they pack the same recoiless rifle as an airborne squad

PE Armored Cars and even upgunned Pumas don't stand a chance.

I think their range and armor need to be nerfed.

Its a light AT unit and you want it countered by light vehicles? I think you're missing the point. Infantry, paks etc all counter them very easily

[Paciat]

The easiest way to defeat Commonwealth is to get as much MP44 as possible. You dont need AT weapons vs a BREN carrier, MP44 will do just fine too.

[Paladin88]

The easiest way to defeat Commonwealth is to get as much MP44 as possible. You dont need AT weapons vs a BREN carrier, MP44 will do just fine too.

I dislike! I dislike!

However you may have a point. But if you simply spam MP44, I would end up using stuarts or staghounds. Yes, they suck so hard against anything decent but their canister shot (or MG upgrade) and armor would be good enough to crowd control .. unless I'm using RMC, in that case I guess that doesn't work (since they don't have stuarts and it takes forever to get staghound). Commonwealth really sucks in a manpower war (sighs).

[RedGuard]

mp44 blobs lose to brit blobs anyway, even if they're zealed.

if you see officers and brens, chances are you're going to get shot up

[Evisela]

PVP Games are not like the campy Lyon "Okay defend the middle till we get tanks and blow the bridges and rush"

That's not skill, that's inconsistent spamming When you play a map like that resources are pretty much divided evenly.

Hey! I only do that because that's all I see how to do against AI. jk
Also what do you mean by PvP, can you use Soviets in the quick match search or you mean: "Make a open match and wait for people to join"?

[GodlikeDennis]

By PvP he means player vs player which can include basic matches or automatch. Soviets CAN be used in automatch.

This is off topic. Thread should be closed.