Making DP-28s as useful as PPShs

[SnappingTurtle]

I don't like the idea of making the two upgrades cost different amounts of munitions. The way I see it the idea of the two upgrades and the two abilities granted are offensive/defensive. Not spam/spam more of.

An extra thought on making DP28 teams more "MG-like" when standing ground is its effect on the debate about the MG nest being doctrinal. Instead of only one, doctrinal, point-defence, suppressive weapon (that doesn't require tank hall and upgrade) you have that option plus the option of turning a T2 infantry squad (same time as Ami MG if they went rax first) into something more like it, being that you choose the "defensive" squad upgrade.

[IJoe]

IMO, doctrinal Mg nest is simply shit. The only thing to discuss about one, is what to replace it with.

Hmg-like, or not, some supprsive unit is obviously necessary for the sake of castrating lame tactics of blob-rushing soviet heavy weapons with mp-armed forces under group zeal.
It's just an ugly tactic, that can be handled, but only by a superior force or priorly planned defensive positioning (placing mines, barbed wire etc.), which is not good, because a simple rushing is absolutely easy and requires no skill to perform, while holding it off does.
The possibility of having a blob suppressed, and eventually pinned will make blob-rusher think twice before sending his forces to a hopeless slaughter.

[Blackbishop]

The only thing useful for Propaganda are Kats ... for now XD. There's a second choice for the DP-28's ability besides giving suppression, but i won't say it by now .

[Paciat]

I don't like the idea of making the two upgrades cost different amounts of munitions. The way I see it the idea of the two upgrades and the two abilities granted are offensive/defensive. Not spam/spam more of.

DP-28 will still cost you. They could be cheaper (still much more expensive than 0 muni BARs) but that dosnt mean you will win a game spamming them (Jeeps are cheap but you wont win a game by spamming them) DP-28 will still be a defensive weapon becouse you cant fire DPs while move youre squad (unlike BARs or Strelky without the upgrade).

[RedGuard]

Well if your not interested in lowering cost an underpowered and underused weapon  why not consider buffing it? because as is now its not used competitvely and thats a shame

[Cranialwizard]

The only thing useful for Propaganda are Kats ... for now XD. There's a second choice for the DP-28's ability besides giving suppression, but i won't say it by now .

I'm a fan of trenches personally if it was between MG nest and Trenches, you'd have to take the MG Nest out. But MG nest arn't the problem, the problem is it cost WAY too much, in all aspects, Pop Count, Manpower, and Fuel.

I think you should combine the Trench and MG nest ability into one, and name it "Advanced Defenses" or something like that. Ingenery will be able to dig trenches and MG nest after the ability is unlocked. That way you'll have room for another potential ability. Provided MG nest cost are tuned down, I don't see much a problem keeping them.

[IJoe]

The only thing useful for Propaganda are Kats ... for now XD.

Does that mean, you're planning on making them suck just as well as the rest of the doctrine (except for trenches, probably) 

Just a joke! 

[GodlikeDennis]

Prop is currently undergoing many changes to make it better overall. The changes aren't finished but they're very interesting ATM.

[Blackbishop]

The only thing useful for Propaganda are Kats ... for now XD.

Does that mean, you're planning on making them suck just as well as the rest of the doctrine (except for trenches, probably) 

Just a joke! 

aye !!!

Prop is currently undergoing many changes to make it better overall. The changes aren't finished but they're very interesting ATM.

lol

All in all, something shall be done to Hold Ground ability(DP-28), currently is useless .

[Sturmovik]

[quote author=SnappingTurtle link=topic=5526.msg62702#msg62702
DP-28 will still be a defensive weapon becouse you cant fire DPs while move youre squad (unlike BARs or Strelky without the upgrade).

[Cranialwizard]

Wow this topic is from ages ago...

[Raider217]

Wow this topic is from ages ago...

It's not that old but I fail to see why it was dug up just for what appears to be a novel cover.

[IJoe]

The picture shows RL footage, depicting a trooper, firing DP on the move.

[RedGuard]

Does anyone use Dp28 in multiplayer games? and more specifically competitive ones?

I know I havent and I'm curious is it worth it. especially against certain troop types like mp44's?

[cephalos]

if you group 2 squads of DP-28 Strelky, they perform quite well against enemy infantry.