Making DP-28s as useful as PPShs

[vonklaus]

I hate to get into a Soviet MG argument but why does the Maxim have to be wheeled? I mean that is just the classical image in peoples heads, they had Maxims on tripods. Either as a reward unit or a call in I would love to see this unit in game. I would prefer call in replacing the overpriced crappy maxim bunkers.

One thing we are also forgetting in the dp-28 PPSH argument is that the dp-28 soon will be dropable, making the ppsh even more likely an option because there will be no fear of the enemy picking it up.

[Blackbishop]

Nope, the tripod maxim wasn't used that much and would be a last effort to put it ingame, if soviets doesn't need an mg team why we should bother. Also our plan by now is to have a wheeled Maxim not a tripod one. Besides is cooler in wheels.

Indeed, in the internal beta the DP-28 is droppable and the PTRD-41 too. But as we don't have models for those two as dropped weapons(e.g. we need a model of DP-28 lying on the ground) we are using the Bren lmg and the Boys AT rifle as placeholders.

[IJoe]

As for DP, the only good thing about it is it doesn't take all the weapon slots of the squad, so you can potentially pick up some shreks and mgs. And we all remember ppsh armed strelky can't do that (though I keep asking myself: why the hell not? Just make it a "replaceable" weapon in the settings!).
For the rest - it's rather unimpressive.

[SnappingTurtle]

Indeed, in the internal beta the DP-28 is droppable and the PTRD-41 too. But as we don't have models for those two as dropped weapons(e.g. we need a model of DP-28 lying on the ground) we are using the Bren lmg and the Boys AT rifle as placeholders.

Really? If you can extract the model or just have the original lying around couldn't you just rotate it so it's lying down? Either by some internal CoH mechanism (of which I know nothing) or at least by a modelling program (of which I know some).

Also I'm curious how you have the Boys AT rifle. Was that a stand-in for the PTRD when it wasn't available or a throw back from an older version of the Commonwealth faction?

Thanks.

[cephalos]

Hey, guys, back to topic please 

Conclusions:
1. Soviets don't need HMG
2. Soviets won't get HMG
3. DP-28 is cool
4. DP-28 is underpowered

[Sturmovik]

cephalos, actually, if you don't mind, Maxim is NOT, i repeat, NOT Heavy Machine Gun. 

To others

Another fact.
I don't understand, earlier, what you are talking about, that the British Army in the game have not a MG!!!
Only today i play with a GB army ...
WHAT??? WHAT DO I SAY NOW? YOU DO NOT MIND?
They have a BRENT!!!
CARRIER with MG!! Soon, you can upgrade this thing with HMG!
2, pair, two MG on one amored platform can be builded from the beginning!!!
You can do anithing with this ... maneuverable defence, infantry like attack, full scale armoring attack ... this thing CAN STOP the Tiger!!!
Actually, with tactically corrected use, brent can rule the "light" battlefield.
And you know that, saying to me, that the Britains DOES NOT have MG!!!!

You can say, "RKKA have 2 light tanks ... shut up!!"
Thay have, but you must grasp a sources, build a "thing", upgrade this for LT production ... and build this ... if you still have a territories & points!!!!!

You are all saying to me that this game is only for fun??
May be you thinking, "that russians is dummy, thay can eat everything!!"
... liers & hypocrites ... on a "soft language."

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

You are all saying to me that this game is only for fun??
May be you thinking, "that russians is dummy, thay can eat everything!!"
... liers & hypocrites ... on a "soft language."

Calm down, dude. Noone here is against the Soviet Union or Russia (well, at least the most are not) nor thinks Russians are dumb and "eat everything". I don't know if you have a complex or what, but it is not the first time that this is happening. And please stop being insulting - if you read the forum rules, you'd know why.
Noone will take you serious anymore when you argue in this way.
Thank you for accepting this.

[Blackbishop]

@Sturmovik
So, is the Maxim a Light Machine Gun or a Sub Machine Gun? Of course is a Heavy Machine Gun. Could you stop this attitude? Soviets won't have a HMG in their ranks, afaik no matter how you feel.

That aside, we should continue with the discussion of the DP-28 as @cephalos suggested (don't know why the Maxim thing came out btw), otherwise this thread could be closed or your OT posts deleted.

[Sturmovik]

@Sturmovik
So, is the Maxim a Light Machine Gun or a Sub Machine Gun? Of course is a Heavy Machine Gun. Could you stop this attitude? Soviets won't have a HMG in their ranks, afaik no matter how you feel.

That aside, we should continue with the discussion of the DP-28 as @cephalos suggested (don't know why the Maxim thing came out btw), otherwise this thread could be closed or your OT posts deleted.

May be there are diffirent ways to name an MG a Heavy MG.
But, HMG is DSHK, 12,7 mm.
After all, Russians does not have a difference with light, heavy or anything else.

PD-28 - hand held MG. (Infantry unit)
Maxim - mounted MG (infantry company, battalion)
DSHK - large caliber mounted MG (-II-)
That was tactical & perpose "difference".

Actually, AK-47 in the western weapon reviews named the Machine Gun. First reason - safety lock. First position after lock is auto, then single fire.
That fact take a smile.
Mostly correct name is machine carbine. ... but Machine gun ... MG for us is DSHK, Maxim, Pecheneg ...

[RedGuard]

back on topic, I think everyone will be more than satisfied with the new DP-28's. So no need to be frantic about it, I've been there trust me

Also I see no reasons for soviets needing a buildable HMG, steal one from wehr!

[Blackbishop]

back on topic, I think everyone will be more than satisfied with the new DP-28's. So no need to be frantic about it, I've been there trust me

Also I see no reasons for soviets needing a buildable HMG, steal one from wehr!

Did work the new icon for soviet HMG Team?

I haven't tried myself yet.

[cephalos]

On topic:

DP-28 needs serious buff, or it will be totally unworthy this 60 mun spent on 2 machine guns. Increasing supression rate seems fair to me, how about you?

[Blackbishop]

back on topic, I think everyone will be more than satisfied with the new DP-28's. So no need to be frantic about it, I've been there trust me

Also I see no reasons for soviets needing a buildable HMG, steal one from wehr!

This.

[Paladin88]

back on topic, I think everyone will be more than satisfied with the new DP-28's. So no need to be frantic about it, I've been there trust me

Also I see no reasons for soviets needing a buildable HMG, steal one from wehr!

1) +1

2) The shame of it all! (The mighty Russian steamroller... stops to steal MG42s for support) though he's right...

From what I can gather, the only real issue is whether the DP-28 changes fix the "problem) i.e.

Hey, guys, back to topic please 

Conclusions:
1. Soviets don't need HMG
2. Soviets won't get HMG
3. DP-28 is cool
4. DP-28 is underpowered

[Dann88]

As the hold ground ability is told to be useless, so why bother to keep them. Yes... my idead could be same like some guys above, just abandon it, make a new ability that the Dp-28 squad can suppressed and pin down enemy inf immediately in a very short time to make room for a ppsh's charge. Make the DP both more tatical and useful. Why we have to think that LMG is for defense anyway, doese it sound like "Brit is a defensive faction"?