Making DP-28s as useful as PPShs

[GodlikeDennis]

How about upgrading the stand ground ability of DP-28 squads to massively improve MG accuracy as well as the current benefits (which currently aren't enough to warrant losing all movement). Thoughts?

[IJoe]

I would add it the re-newed (by the Relic's "final patch") G-43 "focus fire" ability (pin the enemy infantry down for 5 sec.)

[SnappingTurtle]

I would add it the re-newed (by the Relic's "final patch") G-43 "focus fire" ability (pin the enemy infantry down for 5 sec.)

Does that only work against one infantry unit at a time? If so, that might be no good for a mid- to late-game ability.

I like Godlike's suggestion because then you could really use it to lock down an area, as long as it doesn't instamulch enemy squads.

[IJoe]

I would add it the re-newed (by the Relic's "final patch") G-43 "focus fire" ability (pin the enemy infantry down for 5 sec.)

Does that only work against one infantry unit at a time? If so, that might be no good for a mid- to late-game ability.

I like Godlike's suggestion because then you could really use it to lock down an area, as long as it doesn't instamulch enemy squads.

You're right, I would've extend it further, to pin all squads under its fire for a duration of 5 sec. That would punish PE mp-armed blobs (PE blob-kill-all lovers would be outraged )

[Paciat]

I would add it the re-newed (by the Relic's "final patch") G-43 "focus fire" ability (pin the enemy infantry down for 5 sec.)

Does that only work against one infantry unit at a time? If so, that might be no good for a mid- to late-game ability.

I like Godlike's suggestion because then you could really use it to lock down an area, as long as it doesn't instamulch enemy squads.

You're right, I would've extend it further, to pin all squads under its fire for a duration of 5 sec. That would punish PE mp-armed blobs (PE blob-kill-all lovers would be outraged )

I dont think DP 28 needs a new ability at all, they just need a suppression buff. Right now DP 28 is a BREN with +60% dmg buff. It should suppress stronger than BAR.

[Blackbishop]

Suppression bonus could be granted when you use "Hold ground ability" .

[cephalos]

well, I guess every player who knows that infantry in CoH loves to pointlessly run around during firefight press this ability as soon as possible to make the most of DP-28. That's not an answer to this problem.

I think that ability similar to US BAR suppressive fire could do. It could cost munitions, to make it really worth using while Soviets lack of munitions as we all know.

[Blackbishop]

well, I guess every player who knows that infantry in CoH loves to pointlessly run around during firefight press this ability as soon as possible to make the most of DP-28. That's not an answer to this problem.

I think that ability similar to US BAR suppressive fire could do. It could cost munitions, to make it really worth using while Soviets lack of munitions as we all know.

The problem is that "Hold Ground" ability isn't good at all, so we said give suppress bonus to that ability, but you think it's not going to fix the problem, then you say that giving Bar's suppression fire will going to fix this?? the objective is improve "Hold Ground" ability, not discarding it and creating a new ability... at least i think that are OP's intentions and i agree that DP-28 doesn't need another ability.

[GodlikeDennis]

Bishop explained my thoughts. It doesn't need a new ability, it just needs its current ability buffed to make it more MG like. The movement cancel is a huge drawback at the moment for only a slight decrease in received accuracy and no received suppression. This is primarily a defensive power so those attributes are rather pointless. It should make it more in line with the MGs of the other faction, being immobile and better suppression/damage, when the ability is active.

The mechanics of G43 slow are that it targets a squad independently of what the squad is actually shooting at and applies the slow effect. Meanwhile the G43 squad gets reduced accuracy and damage but can shoot at any target they wish. This is rubbish because the effect stays applied even if the affected squad runs out of range/LoS or even when the G43 squad retreats and is not firing. The slow effect also applies to retreating squads. The retail patch is somewhat addressing this problem.

[GSmirlis]

Why not to make some heavy machine gun teams?
With those soviet machine gun DP-28 teams game will be much better.
You can keep DP-28 in Sterlkys and just add that DP-28 heavy machine gun teams

[RedGuard]

well I saw in a news update that reward units is a heavy machine gun for soviets. its about time

[Cranialwizard]

That was an april fools joke, though this time there was a Photo 

[Paciat]

Or (as Ive said many times before) just make the DP-28 upgrade cheaper (25-40ammo). Youll have a choice then, spam DP-28 or use PPSH with Mosin support.
But DP-28 should get a suppresion buff anyhow.

[RedGuard]

good idea on lowering dp-28 cost I think halfing the muni cost of it is only way to make it useful

dp-28 is a non factor in competitive games, why build it when u get bonus' for moving for armor and firepower?

[IJoe]

Summarizing it all up:
Obviously, as it was stated many times already, ATM DP is absolutely worthless:
1) it's the same price that ppsh,
2) it has lower firepower, than that of ppsh (squad-wise),
3) it grants an ability, that brings more hurt than benefit (=useless, and troublesome).

It would be the most satisfying and required change, it were made more suppressive.
Soviets are desperately in need of at least one viable suppressive weapon, since T-90 is no more to be that.