Soviet Tanks-Axi tanks

[Cranialwizard]

another wehr fanboy wanting more buffs for a noob dominated faction

learn to play first then come to balance discussion

Watch it buddy, that's not going to get you good praise on the forums, considering you have 1 measly post, which is that negatory comment. I don't have OF so I don't have a choice for an axis doctrine.

And if anything Wehr tanks need some adjustments that will nerf, not buff it. Burst fire on the Ostwind is absurd. You hear 6 pings in .2 second succession and you've got a platter of riflemen fried.

[RedGuard]

I didnt come here in search of praise

nor did I come looking for trouble comrade just got a good laugh after reading OPs thread

[IJoe]

^^ What is this senseless ranting for, companero? - Leave him alone with his dreams. (I guess, you were referring to the topic starter's point of view, right?)
Just don't forget to justify all the contras to 'em, so you won't find yourself in situation, that these come true, one day. 

[RedGuard]

yes i was referring to OP, however my italian comrade is right I shouldnt have spent my first post in such a angry way

I dont think however that the panther should be buffed to kill infantry easier, its a rediculous request.

[Cranialwizard]

Thought you were referring to me, my apologies.
But yea, panthers don't need a buff.

[Hamasei]

yes i was referring to OP, however my italian comrade is right I shouldnt have spent my first post in such a angry way

I dont think however that the panther should be buffed to kill infantry easier, its a rediculous request.

Use more respectul words and balance arguments thx! I will not disccus with you if you  brak like a dog.

[IJoe]

"If you behave like a bitch, I'll slap you like a bitch!" (c) 

[Blackbishop]

yes i was referring to OP, however my italian comrade is right I shouldnt have spent my first post in such a angry way

I dont think however that the panther should be buffed to kill infantry easier, its a rediculous request.

Use more respectul words and balance arguments thx! I will not disccus with you if you  brak like a dog.

Modifying the stats of Panthers is a no-no. Eastern Front won't modify vanilla stats, unless is in the expert's changelist (and will be nearly obsolete since the upcoming patch) or is a clearly glitch (e.g. stug's glitch fixed in the last patch, read changelog for further reference ). We won't modify stats for axis tanks (other than reward units implemented in EF if necessary or future Ostheer tanks) in any way. About the IS2, afaik it won't be changed.

[Zerstörer]

I agree that, even if the panther isnt a AI tank, its quite useful vetted, as they get their MG42.

For the IS-2, I dont really use them, mainly for the reasons GodlikeDennis mentionned: lack of speed, low accuracy and reload speed... They arent really the beast they are supposed to be in my eyes. T34-85 are deadly in comparison.

If I recall the IS2 has the same movement stats as a Pershing so its not really slow. However, like that Panther it is an expensive specialist tank in most respects so you cannot really spam them. Its just a 'big boy' that will take on most german heavies 121 and kick their ass...an 'anti heavy tank'- tank if you'd like. The slow firing gun means it cannot deal with any significant infantry threat.
Your main tank is meant to be the T34. the T34/76 will loose a straight up fight with a PzIV, especially at vet1. A PzIV should always keep on the move when facing T34s.
T34/85s on the other hand will always just about win  with a sliver of health left even vs vet3 PzIVs

[Jeff 'Robotnik' W.]

ive seen t34's win against PIV's plenty of times, its main gun actually has the same penetration as the upgunned sherman, you just have to keep it close to the PIV to make up for its lack of accuracy

[Red_Stinger]

I agree that, even if the panther isnt a AI tank, its quite useful vetted, as they get their MG42.

For the IS-2, I dont really use them, mainly for the reasons GodlikeDennis mentionned: lack of speed, low accuracy and reload speed... They arent really the beast they are supposed to be in my eyes. T34-85 are deadly in comparison.

If I recall the IS2 has the same movement stats as a Pershing so its not really slow. However, like that Panther it is an expensive specialist tank in most respects so you cannot really spam them. Its just a 'big boy' that will take on most german heavies 121 and kick their ass...an 'anti heavy tank'- tank if you'd like. The slow firing gun means it cannot deal with any significant infantry threat.

Yeah, my argument about speed was flawed... But what annoy is that it cant deal properly with anything, if it has a so low accuracy and rate of fire. It cant even deal properly with buildings - T34 do that just better.
I agree that these tank shouldnt be spammable, but, IMO, their low combat effectiveness makes them useless, unless you have resources to waste.
I'm pretty sure that it happened at least 4 times, that my IS-2 missed 3 times successively its target. I was like  -->  and ceased to use them.
I would recommand a slight accuracy buff, but I'm not the most experienced player there.
Keep  the same rate of fire though. Dont want it to be a real big -bad- boy.

[Paciat]

ive seen t34's win against PIV's plenty of times, its main gun actually has the same penetration as the upgunned sherman, you just have to keep it close to the PIV to make up for its lack of accuracy

Thats why it is so important to get German tanks to vet 1. Both T-34 have an increased dmg multiplier vs PzIV (1.15) but when you will get tank vet it will take only 85% of dmg.

As for IS-2 accuracy. Stop before shooting. Same goes for Cromwells and Tigers.

[Red_Stinger]

As for IS-2 accuracy. Stop before shooting. Same goes for Cromwells and Tigers.

I can swear that I know how to micro my tanks, and especially my IS2 as I tried to maximise their effect.

EDIT: Also I could have been victim of my own luck. But still. 

[Jeff 'Robotnik' W.]

despite the bad accuracy of the IS2, its armor seems to more than make up for it.

it has 1100 health (compare to pershing- 900 and tiger- 1060) and has the same armor type of the pershing as well. i would rather trade the armor though for a better gun

[TheReaper]

1000 MP for 2 VS 1200 MP and 240 fuel for 2 as wehrmacht. Considering they also come at once rather than separate, I find that's a pretty good deal.

Don't forget, that PE don't have artillery, just the Hotchkiss' stuka, that is only good for vs. infantry, Also, PE units cant crush hedges, and tank traps to go open a new front on a digged in US or brit front. With the new patch, all factions quite balanced, but there is bug what I don't know they fixed, that a second panther don't come in, even if you have the pop cap, so someone can be happy.