Single player campaigns suggestions

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Had never talk about heroes oO
A soldier is a soldier - nothing more, nothing less.

[IJoe]

1. The story can be told from some person's perspective, but I'd hate to play a campaign more or less based around a special unit - fxck ToV!
2. Why are you talking about ostheer, when it's not even done yet, and the soviet campaign is a priority to it? Just asking.

[RedGuard]

@REDcommissar:
One note; There isnt one story There is one history
Otherwise we wont have so much books and memoirs about this history.

exactly now we're on the same page

[HyperSniper999]

Had never talk about heroes oO
A soldier is a soldier - nothing more, nothing less.

Well you mentioned Tiger Aces and stuff. He can proably be the story teller like the guy from the US  campaign, but not actually present in-game.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

@REDcommissar:
One note; There isnt one story There is one history
Otherwise we wont have so much books and memoirs about this history.

exactly now we're on the same page

And the best point is:
In english there are two different words for this point xD
In german we just have "Geschichte" -> "Geschichte mit Geschichten erzählen" - narrate history by stories ^^

@IJoe:
Why I'm just talking about Ostheer? Well...I became part of this dev team to design the Ostheer ^^ So this is "my baby" from the beginning till the end

[HyperSniper999]

One interesting perspective (if we could get voice actors) would be to have the story from a point of view of a civillian witnessing the battles and combat.

[Mattdamon07]

that would be intresting

[Sturmovik]

Otto 213
I am a beginner. But i will try. Good hard campaign on the Eastern front will be great thing.
If i am capable to well study campaigh modding ... when i will be capable.

[Otto Halfhand]

I'm fascinated that u always think of the same campaign ideas like all other strategy games had already used.
I'm also fascinated that u think of 1941 campaigns when u know all the Ostheer stuff xD

Lord Rommel, There is a fascination with the early campaigns on the eastern front and it is not incompatible with EF. I suspect the vast majority of players are fascinated with the blitz. I also believe that many fewer players share the passion, (obsession?), that you and I have for History. I like to view each game as an allegory for the entire conflict. You start with nothing, One side takes the initiative, see saw back and forth. Decision point, turning point, on to victory. I think the choice of game pieces helps with that too; conscript to strelky to elite guards, P3<T34<P5 etc. Yes I cringed when I saw the Wrecked Panthers on the Moscow Map too: but if you suspend your disbelief a little the the game does have historical relevance.

So; My first point is a possible setting from 1942 till 1944. 3 years of war where u can search for an nice campaign story.

Basing on this frame i would think of a campaign around a special soldier or a special unit or a special battle event.

I think your notion of a 1942-1944 campaign dealing with the northern front is not only excellent but could be used for a dual  Ostheer campaign featuring a Carius like figure could narrate. The campaign would highlight OKW mobile defense tactics, A Narva map could be used twice. 6-7 scenarios. The Soviet  campaign would cover the same period Starting with a break_out_From_Leningrad urban battle scenario, Advance to Narva , Stalmate ... on to the Citadel. Similar narrative structure (sorry I have no access to Soviet soldier memoirs or I would suggest a model perhaps a colonel  with the equivalent Soviet honors to Knights Cross with Oak Leaves. point of view would be Soviet offensive doctrinal progression. 7-8 scenarios. Perhaps 9 -10 Maps would be required. a couple of rewards units, (Tiger and ATG/76mm at least). That's my contribution to your idea.

I think a similar dual campaign could be developed based on Geographical basis. IE Smolensk-Moscow-Smolensk 6 scenarios for either side 7 maps (?). Since we are not talking about a hero narrator The Basic EF_OSteer order of battle could be used  without needing Rewards units. Narration would be more like a sit-rep briefing (as in Panzer Leader I).

[Sturmovik]

Otto 213
Possible art of the first EF campaign.

1. Boarder of the country.
Concept - In the first months of the war, there are many things that interfere the command radio link to the frontline units moving, marshes, combat maneuvering, counterattack directions. Sometime, more then a half of their sabotages are successful. Nazi recon teams & sec ops units are sabotage the tails of the front.
First mission must be very difficalt. Difficalt with the officers logic & determination. (When the mission is continued, there are many reports, that confusing & can stabilise the situation.)
When first battles is burned, situation incandescence by confusion reports, hard frontline situation ...
Mission, if that possible, must consist of 2 phases.
2. Frontline is stabilised. ... but, wermaht is near the Moscow. whole phront under hard pressure.
Phase 1
Hard bloody battle of the Panphilovs defence line. Orginising defence, to face off the head on panzer corp division.
Phase 2
Late rendesvous with the Tank battalion ends with begin of the full scale counterattack.
3. Leningrad. Tragedy, blood & heroism of 2nd strike army, that get surrounded near the Meat Forest. Difficalt battle with wermaht panzer, motorised & infantry divisions, that attacked from all around.
4. Stalingrad.
Various city battles with infantry & tank nazi units. City center, Pavlovs house, Tractors factory. Massive battles with various perpose.
5. Kursk.
Phase 1. Holding the defence line from the hard panzer attack on the south flank.
Phase 2. Head on attack on the north flank.
Phase 3. 2th & 48th tank corps of the SS break the 1st & 2nd defence lines. 1st tank army already attack from the north. You must stabilise the situation & stop the concentrate strike of 2 panzer groups with the flank attack with your 1st tank corps.
Phase 4. You command the 5th guard tank army. Ahead of you is Prohorovka. You must engage the enemy from the long road marsh. Main task is still saved - destroy as many panzers as you can, & save your armour units.
5. Bagration. You are commanding officer of the 5th guard tank army, of the 3rd Belorussian front. Ahead of you Borisov, Minsk, Belostok ... & Army group center.
6. Berlin. You commanding 1st Guard tank army of the 1st Belorussian front.
Phase 1. Breakthrough the 2 defence lines. 1st near Zelov, 2nd near Munheberd.
Phase 2. Impetuosity attack suburbs & outskirts of the Berlin.
Phase 3. Attack the political center of the nazi Germany.

German conseption of the campaign - similar missions, but from the other side of the front.

ANOTHER consept of the Soviet Campaign - Battle operations of the 1st Guard Tank Brigade (4th tank brigade 1941-1942).
Commanding officer - Katukov Michail Efremovich
There are 180 tank - 25 KV, near 80 light tanks, and other is T-34 tanks.
Battle operations continious from the boarder regions, to the Berlin offense operation.

Main (not all) battle operations.
1. Mcensk-Orel
2. Moscow-Volokolamsk
3. Moscow-Lipetsk
4. Tula-Kalinin
5. Oboyang-Belgorod-Harkov
6. Obertyn-Dubno
7. Yaroslav-Samdomir
8. Varshava-Posnang
9. Gdynya
10. Berlin
High intensive, maneuverable battles, ussually makes a head on attacks & ambushes, counterattacks & infantry support operations.

What do you think?

I can collect the vital information & make the detailed consept of campaing missions, brifings, maps, (if i find it) battle orders.

What is more interesting?

There are many nazi tank ace concepts been realised, Soviet tank aces & talent commanders is not so famous ... with a regret...

[cephalos]

well, frankly speaking, campaign which will cover years 1941-1945 will suck. Just because there's too many things which ppl want to inculde, and campaign can't be 20 missions long. I'd rather see campaign focusing about one offensive, or operation, like Stalingrad, Kursk battle, Bargration or Berlin.

[Saavedra]

Agreed with Cephalos. Having a narrower focus allows for more focus. Like the British taking Caen and the Panzer Elite in Operation Market Garden.


Personally, I would go for Operation Barbarossa up to the start of the Battle of Stalingrad for the Wehrmacht (ending in a somber, foreboding narration), and either the Battle of Berlin or the Seelow Heights for the Soviets.

[IJoe]

The only interesting campaign in the entire CoH is the first one. The rest of 'em are absolutely annoying and kind o' "soap opera"-like. Too much irrelevant crap, too little action, too many scripted stuff - BORING!
So, whatever period the dev team is gonna chose for any of their campaigns, IMO, the first american one should be taken as an example.
Soviet campaign should start with battle of Moscow - the first really big and decisive battle on the eastern front, and, in terms of numbers, the biggest one of the WW2 at the moment of its happening.

[pariah]

Yeah, i agree with IJoe that the Invasion Of Normandy is the best campaign, so the Eastern Front campaigns should be modeled after that more than the others, and should ESPECIALLY have none of this direct-fire bullshit.

[Blackbishop]

Yeah, i agree with IJoe that the Invasion Of Normady is the best campaign, so the Eastern Front campaigns should be modeled after that more than the others, and should ESPECIALLY have none of this direct-fire bullshit.

Don't know, depends of the implementation, Direct Fire will shine. I think Tiger Ace hit the nail with that, however Causeway and Falaise Pocket didn't need that.