Quote from: Ost_Front_Soldat on March 06, 2012, 10:18:01 PMQuote from: Cranialwizard on March 06, 2012, 09:10:52 PMQuote from: Ost_Front_Soldat on March 06, 2012, 04:31:33 PMQuote from: BurroDiablo on March 05, 2012, 05:57:00 PMQuote from: Killar on March 05, 2012, 12:05:54 PMWe will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.It will be like a coaxial, overall very much unimportant.If you were to start without an MG it would be a Ferdinand, then you want to upgrade to an Elefant?Too much over thinking.We have upgrades in vCoH for a tank commnader, cupola gunner, mortar flail, optics, lots of upgrades that do not help a whole lot. For the sake of balance and a taste of realism, allow the Elefant to marginally defend itself from frontal charges. Give the MG stats that will be notable but not game-breaking.Probably not going to happen, and probably not going to be an upgrade. Else it's an improvised Ferdinand, and the only MGs that I see that are of any use on Vehicles is MG42s manned by a gunner on the outside on Panthers, Tigers, KT, and .50 cals on Stags and Greyhound and the Hellcat.For the sake of balance those MGs are quite useless. If you want to defend from a frontal change, use other supporting units, like an actual MG.
Quote from: Cranialwizard on March 06, 2012, 09:10:52 PMQuote from: Ost_Front_Soldat on March 06, 2012, 04:31:33 PMQuote from: BurroDiablo on March 05, 2012, 05:57:00 PMQuote from: Killar on March 05, 2012, 12:05:54 PMWe will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.It will be like a coaxial, overall very much unimportant.If you were to start without an MG it would be a Ferdinand, then you want to upgrade to an Elefant?Too much over thinking.We have upgrades in vCoH for a tank commnader, cupola gunner, mortar flail, optics, lots of upgrades that do not help a whole lot. For the sake of balance and a taste of realism, allow the Elefant to marginally defend itself from frontal charges. Give the MG stats that will be notable but not game-breaking.
Quote from: Ost_Front_Soldat on March 06, 2012, 04:31:33 PMQuote from: BurroDiablo on March 05, 2012, 05:57:00 PMQuote from: Killar on March 05, 2012, 12:05:54 PMWe will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.It will be like a coaxial, overall very much unimportant.If you were to start without an MG it would be a Ferdinand, then you want to upgrade to an Elefant?Too much over thinking.
Quote from: BurroDiablo on March 05, 2012, 05:57:00 PMQuote from: Killar on March 05, 2012, 12:05:54 PMWe will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
Quote from: Killar on March 05, 2012, 12:05:54 PMWe will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.For the sake of an Elefant being an Elefant and not a Ferdinand, the model should have an MG... doesn't means it needs to do much damage.
We will see if the elephant needs a mg or not. IMO it doesn´t need one.
Because it's a dedicated AI tank. It's supposed to have upgrades like that.We're off topic.
Quote from: Cranialwizard on March 06, 2012, 10:43:29 PMBecause it's a dedicated AI tank. It's supposed to have upgrades like that.We're off topic.Hellcat is dedicatd AI? lol
Quote from: Ost_Front_Soldat on March 06, 2012, 10:55:40 PMQuote from: Cranialwizard on March 06, 2012, 10:43:29 PMBecause it's a dedicated AI tank. It's supposed to have upgrades like that.We're off topic.Hellcat is dedicatd AI? lolI was referring to the PE P4.It doesn't even matter, even those MGs are minor and are only helpful in certain situations. Stag MG gunner is OP and deals a shit ton of suppression.Case closed. MG is going on Elefant and will likely not be stronger than a coaxial. It's a AT vehicle and doesn't need to be able to stomp and suppress infantry as well.
OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD AND RAPE CEASERS GHOST IN FRONT OF THE CHILDREN!?
Guys, you don't need to quote the whole block of text if it is right above your post .Ostheer is going to have Elefants not Ferdinands, meaning that the hull mg will be there right off the bat. Now, for the cupola MG 34, that's up to the modeler, but it will be cool if has it . If this mg would be implemente probably will come with vet, like happens with all OH tanks with coupola mgs.
if im right, this is all about the elafant having an MG right? whatever. who cares. one little hull mg will not affect balance that much. even if it does, it will be changed. i would take the hint from cranial and suggest getting back on topic. just calm down and leave it to the devs.
Quote from: BurroDiablo on March 05, 2012, 05:57:00 PM[...]Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.
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Quote from: Ost_Front_Soldat on March 06, 2012, 04:31:33 PMQuote from: BurroDiablo on March 05, 2012, 05:57:00 PM[...]Exactly, but I still think it should be a cheap upgrade, kind of representing the lessons learned on the eastern front throughout the years. And how about this, if an enemy infantry unit is right infront of the hull (pretty much touching the Elefant) the MG-34 can suppress it for a few seconds.Hmmm... if you put it that way I'd do this:* Vet 0 -> Ferdinand* Vet 1 -> Becomes Elefant, and now has a hull MG among other bonuses* Vet 2 -> Gets the cupola gunner or Commander or some other bonus.* Vet 3 -> Gets the cupola gunner or Commander if not given in vet 3 or some other bonus.But that's just me and I'm not the one that decides it .@stealthattack1You are right, we are a bit off-topic ^^.
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