Waffen-SS & Panzer Elite

[comrade_daelin]

Forgot about that bat- yes, they were basically Hitler's dream-vision of the paramilitary manifestation of the Nazi Party after the war is over. They were supposed to be the next-generation future of the German armed forces- good Aryan stock and loyal only to the Nazis. No wonder the Wehrmacht services saw them with suspicion and contempt- they were a revolutionary modern force that in theory would eventually supplant the traditional German military, with all the Prussian traditional styles and nobility members serving in the officer corps. They might have elight units, but they were far from popular or respected by most of the real army.

[comrade2012]

a cool unit for Ostheer would be Muslim SS men. Himler recruited many Muslims to fight in the SS on the Eastern Front during the war. He convinced them that many Russians were "Jews". There were lots of Muslims in the Baltics and the Middle East that were still bitter about the outcome of WWI, and were glad to fight.

You wouldnt neccessarily have to call the unit "Muslim," it would be more politically correct to call them, "Serbian" or "Turkish"

[Werwolf]

a cool unit for Ostheer would be Muslim SS men. Himler recruited many Muslims to fight in the SS on the Eastern Front during the war. He convinced them that many Russians were "Jews". There were lots of Muslims in the Baltics and the Middle East that were still bitter about the outcome of WWI, and were glad to fight.

You wouldnt neccessarily have to call the unit "Muslim," it would be more politically correct to call them, "Serbian" or "Turkish"

....perhaps you meant the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) and the 23rd Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Kama (2nd Croatian)?

Lots of foreign volunteer formations* were present in the Waffen-SS. Interestingly, there were also Russians among them: 29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS RONA (1st Russian) and 30th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (2nd Russian). These were either forcibly conscripted from the POW camps or were civilians/former soldiers who were disillusioned with the Soviets and decided to cast their lots in with the Germans.

*It's also interesting to note that volunteer formations within the SS were not strictly adherents of the Nazi ideological perspective, and were not expected to be such (the SS basically relaxed their requirements in order to draw up more and more troops). Hence, the volunteers were referred to with the "Waffen" rank prefix (e.g. Waffen-Hauptsturmführer, 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne [1st French]) instead of "SS" (e.g. SS-Oberscharführer, 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division Götz von Berlichingen).

That said, I'm all for the addition of "volunteer" troops for the OH as well...that would make the faction even more unique 

Note: Preferably w/o any references regarding the countries where said "volunteer" troops came from. It'd be better to just generalize them than to start a "my country should be here" argument. Otherwise we'd see Latvians clamoring for the Latvian Legion or Britischers looking to add the British Freikorps ingame. 

[Newbie.]

I Personally think the Panzer Elite is the 7th Fallschrimjager, by the looks of there presence, Company commander [Rl Commander; Firstname Wolfgang?] And there Tactics Etc.

[Werwolf]

I Personally think the Panzer Elite is the 7th Fallschrimjager, by the looks of there presence, Company commander [Rl Commander; Firstname Wolfgang?] And there Tactics Etc.

No idea really, but my best bet is with the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich...unit insignia, vehicle types and all. 

[Zerstörer]

PE is a mix of units, much like the WH (Stormtroops description being the combat arm of the nazi political party-aka SS)
PE is loosely based on two things:

For the British campaign, the Panzer Lehr division which was an elite Heer division9hence the name panzer elite)

For the PE campaign, it was based on Kampfgruppe Von Tettau, a force equivalent to seven battalions made up of all manner of German units (including Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, rear echelon and Waffen-SS  troops)

[loatty]

looking at the "Panzer Elite" in COH, i really think about the Blitzkrieg, which relied on highly mobile units.
This is after all a game, remember?
The fact that the PE only deploys light, and commonly Half-track based units, is probaly for the fast and short battles the Blitzkrieg was made for.

[Crezth]

  The Kampfgruppe Lehr were probably a direct comparison of the Panzer lehr Division. This was an Elite Whermacht division that, with Grossdeuchland Divisiond, was Hitlers favourite Whermacht divisions. The Waffen SS where much more elite however, and every SS soldier vowed to die for Germany. In fact, during the Battle of Berlin, the Waffen SS were telling the Whermacht infantry to give them their weapons, but the Whermacht denied and shot the Waffen SS soldier. This was a great dishonour to Nazi Germany in its final days because the Waffen SS would of fought to death, whereas those Wehrmacht soldiers would of surrendered.
  The Waffen SS would not of been given the Wehrmachts "hand-me-downs" because they would of been given the best equipment first, in fact, a SS Soldier would of been given blood before a dying Whermacht soldier, that is why the SS had their blood types tattoo'ed on their wrists.
   So the PE was definetly not the Waffen SS.

What the hell is this babble? I demand sources, all of this seems highly unlikely (and phrased like a neo-Nazi would).

[loatty]

i agree with you, it would be nice if we gained some information about the sources, which would make it easier for all of us to believe the things someone tells us (i mostly got mine from Wikipedia, which i trust to maintain the highest possible quality of the given information)
but I'd rather not want anyone to talk about neo-nazi's or make comparisons with them... just keep it to the topic, and, just for once, keep your opinion to yourself.

[Crezth]

but I'd rather not want anyone to talk about neo-nazi's or make comparisons with them... just keep it to the topic, and, just for once, keep your opinion to yourself.

I'm sorry if I offended you. His tone of voice suggested supreme nazi love affairs.

[Seeme]

I thought this topic would end with a quick yes or no...

[Blackbishop]

Probably the answer is:
"SS-like units will be in Ostheer but certainly that won't be their name".

[Seeme]

But it isnt about obsteer, the person who made this topic wondered if PE was the Waffen-SS.

[Blackbishop]

:O!! that's right!!!

[mawr]

I always though of it as a representation of the 130.Panzer-Lehr division, an elite divison in the Heer consisting of tank instructors and veterans of the Eastern front. To me, the only unit that represents the SS at all is the Wehrmacht Stormtroopers.

And even these stormtroopers are WAFFEN ss