Ostheer Update 4: Schutzen War Camp

[Blackbishop]

Yeah, maybe have something like the single-sided heavy cover of the map trenches? I'm not sure how you could make that buildable, though...

It's entirely possible, it would require a model but it also would require somebody with a lot of knowledge of Object Editor... these are people we lack at the moment.

Personally, I've never been a fan of trenches... but it's up to our faction designers and balancers to decide.

I have an idea:
Heavy Cover ( really stupid name, I know) - cost some manpower, but has two tasks - to grant somr cover to infantry and block light vehicles. Buildble same as old-style PE Roadbloks ( I mean those big ones, not those small builded in line)
And this took me about 1 minute ( plus 1 to load World builder)\


How do you like it?

EDIT: I forgot to write that it's ungarnisonable. Works like sandbags.

Nice .

[cephalos]

haha thanks for support folks 

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Sorry. I dont like it 

For me it had to watch more like "trenches".
Kilometers of kilometers of the eastern front were a trench war.
Static front lines and complex trench systems.
Just watch the battle of Kursk! Red army had build up 3!! defending lines with trenches, tank traps and duged in anti tank guns.
Watch the siege of Leningrad; Heeresgruppe Nord had build a complex trench line with underground bunkers and positions.

Most parts of the eastern front were a "static trench" war - a bit like ww1.
So a trench system is a must have for red army and Ostheer - out of my view.

[cephalos]

Right, I agree, but what happens when let's say 75% ( just theory) won't like trenches for Ostheer? Will you still insist that trenches are a must?

[pariah]

Well, i don't know how you would implement underground bunkers... Something like that would require a whole new system (something like that of Metal Fatigue).

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

This bunkers were hjust an example for the "static war" at the eastern front

My point is:
On most parts of the eastern front u had a war with parallels of ww1.
So u CANT fade out this fact and that is the reason why we shouldnt fade out this asprect for red army and Ostheer!

[IJoe]

What about these?

[Blackbishop]

Even if this won't replace an old trench, i still like it ! Perhaps something like this could be added, not to replace the trench but as complement of some doctrine.

Well, i don't know how you would implement underground bunkers... Something like that would require a whole new system (something like that of Metal Fatigue).

Well, we need to try something new at least ! If it won't work will widely known .

[cephalos]

Well, why not to give trenches also to Wehrmacht and US? There were stalemates on the Western Front ( a lot of those), and trennch is the simples and most obvious type of cover that infantry can provide. Don't tell me that battle of Bocage, operation Luttich and other big battles didn't take place in trenches.
At the beginning trench was unique to Brits - because they were defensive faction it was obvious, same as not giving trenches to PE. Soviets made a bit difference, nevertheless trench was still allies stuff. Now I can't imagine when Ostheer will dig trenches for it's infantry and for PE Grens or Wehr Grens  This will cause trench war.

[pariah]

What about these?

Yeah, that's just what i was thinking of!

[IJoe]

I mean, these really aren't that tough,- you can't sit there with enemy running in circles and hopelessly trying to smoke you out - they'll simly run into your trench! Realistic? You bet!
It's also VERY eastern front style - "Comrades! Let's cut them out in their trenches!" 

[Blackbishop]

Well, why not to give trenches also to Wehrmacht and US? There were stalemates on the Western Front ( a lot of those), and trennch is the simples and most obvious type of cover that infantry can provide. Don't tell me that battle of Bocage, operation Luttich and other big battles didn't take place in trenches.
At the beginning trench was unique to Brits - because they were defensive faction it was obvious, same as not giving trenches to PE. Soviets made a bit difference, nevertheless trench was still allies stuff. Now I can't imagine when Ostheer will dig trenches for it's infantry and for PE Grens or Wehr Grens  This will cause trench war.

Afaik Ostheer trenches won't be the same that the soviets and brits have.

[SublimeSnugz]

My point is:
On most parts of the eastern front u had a war with parallels of ww1.
So u CANT fade out this fact and that is the reason why we shouldnt fade out this asprect for red army and Ostheer!

Historical accuracy and Realism ruins gameplay. Trenches are just a too big balance headache, especially with an axis faction. Imgine a ostheer - Brit game lol.
I belive that Historical Accuracy should NOT have top priority when designing a faction, the way Relic did it was the right way imo.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Well. Out of my view the historical aspect is one of the most important point for a game which had decided to chose an real historical setting.

And out of my view trenches dont destroy the gameplay.
When a brit dig in he loses a big offensive capacity and when
german faction had their big tanks brits will regret their dug in xD

[IJoe]

Grrr...
I must be talking to a wall here