Just Curious But How Many non German submarines Can You List.
The Yellow Submarine!
Quote from: Paciat on January 12, 2011, 10:40:19 AMJust Curious But How Many non German submarines Can You List. There is no such thing as other u-boats. I would venture to say that other than in the pacific with the u.s. subs, no other sub was viewed as a real threat.
Quote from: Griptonix on January 12, 2011, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Paciat on January 12, 2011, 10:40:19 AMJust Curious But How Many non German submarines Can You List. There is no such thing as other u-boats. I would venture to say that other than in the pacific with the u.s. subs, no other sub was viewed as a real threat.Cause Germans never had convoys. (exept to norway)Italian midget subs were a real threat. They damaged a 2 UK battleships in Alexandria. On 10 June 1940 Italy had the most subs in the whole world (116). Thats not a threat?Japanese sub sunk the cruiser (correct me If im wrong) after it transported a US A-bomb.And whats wrong with listing US subs anyway?
Germany had large convoys going towards north africa.
You could point to successes from all sides with their subs but what I meant is that the Germans as far as WWII goes win the submarine trophy.
Quote from: Griptonix on January 14, 2011, 06:33:15 PMGermany had large convoys going towards north africa.No, there were Italian convoys. Germans were blocked by Gibraltar.QuoteYou could point to successes from all sides with their subs but what I meant is that the Germans as far as WWII goes win the submarine trophy.Cause only Germany and US had a chance too use subs in a efective way.Italian convoys were defended by their airforce all the way (not a long way) to Tripoli so sending UK subs vs them was a suicide.And sorry but the US won the sub trophy (and the war too) destroing Japanese merchant fleet. Germany couldnt do that to the British and so they loose.
Quote from: Paciat on January 15, 2011, 12:28:42 AMQuote from: Griptonix on January 14, 2011, 06:33:15 PMGermany had large convoys going towards north africa.No, there were Italian convoys. Germans were blocked by Gibraltar.QuoteYou could point to successes from all sides with their subs but what I meant is that the Germans as far as WWII goes win the submarine trophy.Cause only Germany and US had a chance too use subs in a efective way.Italian convoys were defended by their airforce all the way (not a long way) to Tripoli so sending UK subs vs them was a suicide.And sorry but the US won the sub trophy (and the war too) destroing Japanese merchant fleet. Germany couldnt do that to the British and so they loose.well, we'll have to agree to disagree. The Germans did have large convoys supplying the Afrika Korps from the south of France to Afrika and Italy to the South Europe.QuoteThose werent german ships. They were Italian or Vichy France.Quotethe japs didn't stand a chance, they had a large surface fleet but after the U.S. won air superiority there wasn't much they could do to the U.S. subs or surface.Both German and US subs attacked merchant ships far away from any airbase. US subs were able to launch independent submarine operations. Not every US sub had a carrier to support it.
Those werent german ships. They were Italian or Vichy France.Quotethe japs didn't stand a chance, they had a large surface fleet but after the U.S. won air superiority there wasn't much they could do to the U.S. subs or surface.Both German and US subs attacked merchant ships far away from any airbase. US subs were able to launch independent submarine operations. Not every US sub had a carrier to support it.
the japs didn't stand a chance, they had a large surface fleet but after the U.S. won air superiority there wasn't much they could do to the U.S. subs or surface.
Quote from: Griptonix on January 16, 2011, 01:07:52 AMQuote from: Paciat on January 15, 2011, 12:28:42 AMQuote from: Griptonix on January 14, 2011, 06:33:15 PMGermany had large convoys going towards north africa.No, there were Italian convoys. Germans were blocked by Gibraltar.QuoteYou could point to successes from all sides with their subs but what I meant is that the Germans as far as WWII goes win the submarine trophy.Cause only Germany and US had a chance too use subs in a efective way.Italian convoys were defended by their airforce all the way (not a long way) to Tripoli so sending UK subs vs them was a suicide.And sorry but the US won the sub trophy (and the war too) destroing Japanese merchant fleet. Germany couldnt do that to the British and so they loose.well, we'll have to agree to disagree. The Germans did have large convoys supplying the Afrika Korps from the south of France to Afrika and Italy to the South Europe.QuoteThose werent german ships. They were Italian or Vichy France.Quotethe japs didn't stand a chance, they had a large surface fleet but after the U.S. won air superiority there wasn't much they could do to the U.S. subs or surface.Both German and US subs attacked merchant ships far away from any airbase. US subs were able to launch independent submarine operations. Not every US sub had a carrier to support it.Yes if I were the Germans I would rely on the FRENCH and the Italians, the worst allies someone could have.The Germans invested heavily in their submarines because they knew their surface fleet couldn't stand a chance, the U.S. was able to attain such success because the japs didn't believe in a strong underwater force because their surface fleet already rivaled the U.S.
Quote from: Paciat on January 15, 2011, 12:28:42 AMQuote from: Griptonix on January 14, 2011, 06:33:15 PMGermany had large convoys going towards north africa.No, there were Italian convoys. Germans were blocked by Gibraltar.QuoteYou could point to successes from all sides with their subs but what I meant is that the Germans as far as WWII goes win the submarine trophy.Cause only Germany and US had a chance too use subs in a efective way.Italian convoys were defended by their airforce all the way (not a long way) to Tripoli so sending UK subs vs them was a suicide.And sorry but the US won the sub trophy (and the war too) destroing Japanese merchant fleet. Germany couldnt do that to the British and so they loose.well, we'll have to agree to disagree. The Germans did have large convoys supplying the Afrika Korps from the south of France to Afrika and Italy to the South Europe.QuoteThose werent german ships. They were Italian or Vichy France.Quotethe japs didn't stand a chance, they had a large surface fleet but after the U.S. won air superiority there wasn't much they could do to the U.S. subs or surface.Both German and US subs attacked merchant ships far away from any airbase. US subs were able to launch independent submarine operations. Not every US sub had a carrier to support it.Yes if I were the Germans I would rely on the FRENCH and the Italians, the worst allies someone could have.The Germans invested heavily in their submarines because they knew their surface fleet couldn't stand a chance, the U.S. was able to attain such success because the japs didn't believe in a strong underwater force because their surface fleet already rivaled the U.S.