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Offline Jeff 'Robotnik' W.

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 10:09:01 PM »
the ai for the brits is incredibly stupid, one major improvement that could be done is to make it so that the hq truck does not move at all, as it would be better for the brits to just have the ai leave it where it is than have it stupidly run itself into the enemy

also another thought, maybe adopt the ai of the tactical ai mod.


http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?254367-Tactical-AI-Mod-v20101217-%28for-COH-2.601-Multi-Language%29


as an experiment, i was able to replace the ai of this mod with the improved ai quite easily, and saw a major improvement in the ai's behavior. some of the improvements i observed were:

-ai does not send out squads with one man
-ai does not constantly spam off map units
-ai does not suicide artillery units (like the Katusha, calliope, or priest
-ai uses hummel (zomg)
-ai will put things in bren carriers and cap with them
-ai will use close combat when equipped with assault rifles or sub machine guns
-ai uses mines
-ai seems to also use combined arms as well, as i always see infantry backed up by tanks
-brits will build 17 pounders much more often and will actually turn it to face the enemy


i really think this ai should be implemented
« Last Edit: January 14, 2011, 10:19:56 PM by robotnik »

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 10:26:24 PM »
If that's the case a new AI must be made for soviets because those AI just are for vCoH factions.

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9. Riflemen don't use 'Suppression fire' on vehicle
lol ;D!
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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2011, 10:34:20 PM »
Yeah, that's fantastic. Would it be possible for you guys to work with these modders? (Although i don't consider the A.I. using Mines to be an improvement, because they always did anyway. Just very stupidly...)

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM »
If that's the case a new AI must be made for soviets because those AI just are for vCoH factions.

Quote from: from robotnik link
9. Riflemen don't use 'Suppression fire' on vehicle
lol ;D!

i was able to adapt the soviets to the ai quite easily, just a few tweaks to some abilities and units and copying some of the soviet functions over.

the ai mod itself only changes a few of the ai files, and leaves everything else mostly intact, so the soviets were able to build, upgrade, and call in units effectively, while still benefiting from the global improvements.

if needed, i could hep the devs here with including the improved ai into this mod
« Last Edit: January 14, 2011, 11:35:14 PM by robotnik »

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 11:37:08 PM »
YES! YES! YES! Make Company Of Heroes the very best it can be!

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2011, 12:32:26 AM »
for those interested in what the improved ai would be like, i will upload a copy of the improved ai (modified for EF) tomorrow for people to see what it is like.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2011, 12:38:13 AM by robotnik »

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2011, 12:36:25 AM »
Yeah, I think the Dev's should look into this, and see if it could be implemented. It sounds awesome, but I have no clue as to the work it would take. Here's hoping.
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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2011, 12:41:29 AM »
@robotnik
I'll check this later with sweets. Thanks for your help.
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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2011, 08:01:15 PM »
also for those curious and who want to test out the ai, i have uploaded it here

http://www.mediafire.com/?pawdvbbzl526auf

install instructions included

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2011, 08:15:28 PM »
@robotnik
You know what's funny?

This is a thread about the AI being OP, and you are helping the AI to perform better, besides being off-topic no one cared because a better AI is always welcomed.

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2011, 08:38:19 PM »
@robotnik
You know what's funny?

This is a thread about the AI being OP, and you are helping the AI to perform better, besides being off-topic no one cared because a better AI is always welcomed.

your right, how ironic lol

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2011, 09:09:00 PM »
Well, maybe you could make your A.I. improvements not apply to the easy A.I.s?

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2011, 09:11:25 PM »
the easy ai is still easy, they dont retreat at all and generally act stupid.

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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2011, 09:58:42 PM »
Look, the Ai sucks more on urban maps, cause i can beat an easy or normal AI on Lyon (1v1) playing as the Soviets, so it isn't impossible. Just stick to more urban maps and you can stand a chance, mainly cause vehicles are less useful in tight quarters than in the open. Bring the enemy into the cities, then run in so close that they can't exploit their power. Rember the lesson of Stalingrad; if you can't beat em in the open, drag them to their knees in the cities.
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Re: Is it just me or is the AI TOO hard?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2011, 01:12:59 PM »
I hope these improvement of the AI will be implemented; I can no longer take the time to play online  :-\
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