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Offline Pvt.LHeureux

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[1.23] Units updates should apply
« on: January 03, 2011, 05:31:54 AM »
Hello, after playing many rounds of this mod with my bro or alone I found that there's a real problem with units ameliorations.

The problem is that for exemple I update my conscripts to veterans conscripts so they all have weapons and cocktail molotov. But the thing is that I need to make new conscripts to have them updated.
Same with T34/75 that doesn't become a T34/85 after the update or any other units.

I find this quite unbalanced because for exemple the americans riflemen can be upgraded with grenades, sticky and bars. When the update is finished they get their grenades, no need to built a new squads.

So I always get to kill my guys to have better ones cause of the cap limit problem.

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Re: [1.23] Units updates should apply
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 06:16:08 AM »
Conscripts get molotovs after the upgrade. About the T-34/76 and the T-34/85 something has been done for the next EF update.

There's something planned for Strelky too, but i haven't heard anything else about conscripts.
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Re: [1.23] Units updates should apply
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 07:11:22 AM »
Not having retroactive global upgrades is just the way Soviets are. They don't need to be the same as the other factions for conformity's sake, unless it breaks fundamental mechanics which it does not. Soviet upgrades are so powerful that it would be too good to upgrade existing units on the field. Many of the upgrades do give part of the bonus to existing units (nades on conscripts, satchels on ingenery) as well.

Also, killing off units just so you can have room for newer ones is stupid. Just because they don't have the upgrades doesn't mean they're useless. If you played humans on a non-bridge map, you would find you wouldn't have the resources to just sacrifice old units to make room for upgraded ones.
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Re: [1.23] Units updates should apply
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 07:19:57 AM »
Well I know that the units get at least the abilities. But I don't kill them, I just send them to kill some enemies and when they die it makes room for new and better units. I'm happy about the T34/76 to T34/85 change or whatever it is, because it's kind of unbalanced that the sherman got his 76mm when updated but the T34 stay the same.

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Re: [1.23] Units updates should apply
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 07:40:11 PM »
Offtopic: units ameliorations  ::)

Some related offtopic: the tooltip on "Red Banner Strelky" says:
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Your upgraded Strelky are now headed by a Red Flag Bearer and can be armed with Shpagin SMGs or Degtyaryov LMGs. Strelky already on the field are strengthened by this news.

What does underlined part implies? I mean exact stats and values.

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Re: [1.23] Units updates should apply
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 07:57:17 PM »
Offtopic: units ameliorations  ::)

Some related offtopic: the tooltip on "Red Banner Strelky" says:
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Your upgraded Strelky are now headed by a Red Flag Bearer and can be armed with Shpagin SMGs or Degtyaryov LMGs. Strelky already on the field are strengthened by this news.

What does underlined part implies? I mean exact stats and values.
A few pathes ago all strelky recived an armor change (to airborne) when they were upgraded. I guess this the tooltip should be changed.

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Re: [1.23] Units updates should apply
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2011, 09:19:37 PM »
Offtopic: units ameliorations  ::)

Some related offtopic: the tooltip on "Red Banner Strelky" says:
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Your upgraded Strelky are now headed by a Red Flag Bearer and can be armed with Shpagin SMGs or Degtyaryov LMGs. Strelky already on the field are strengthened by this news.

What does underlined part implies? I mean exact stats and values.
A few pathes ago all strelky recived an armor change (to airborne) when they were upgraded. I guess this the tooltip should be changed.
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There's something planned for Strelky too...
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