North Korean Shelling of South Korea.

[Tico_1990]

IJoe, I'm not sure where you are from, not that it's relevant, either way, I don't think there is a country in the world which has never done a thing like that. Also, you make it sound as if all Europeans and Americans are the way you say. I'd like to point out to you that there are more than enough people in Europe who are opposed to the war in Afghanistan and Iraq (and they have been so since the start of those wars).
Cheers

[IJoe]

@Tico_1990
The above open letter of mine was addressed to war-lovers that hide behind any mask, be it communism, patriotism, or democratization, liberalization, and civilization of "dose savage fellas"
I, myself, am russian, and before the storm breakes, I am pacifist. The only people that deserve death by a hand of russian - are those who came to take our homeland (any bit of it), took freedom from our people or brought death to them.
In other words: "Come with a sword - die by a sword."  It, actually, is written on the banner of the town of my birth since deep middle ages.

[Red_Stinger]

Aren't we speaking about North Korea or what?

IJoe, you should really stop to blame every european, american and stop to glorify russia like this. Paciat is polish, but I never saw him glorify Poland (and btw, if you cant understand 'refined' humour, thats your problem). I'm french and I'm not speaking about france everywhere and everytime (this isnt due to the fact that COH is a WW2 game lool  ).

So lets stop it and go back to the topic!

[IJoe]

Aren't we speaking about North Korea or what?

IJoe, you should really stop to blame every european, american and stop to glorify russia like this. Paciat is polish, but I never saw him glorify Poland (and btw, if you cant understand 'refined' humour, thats your problem). I'm french and I'm not speaking about france everywhere and everytime (this isnt due to the fact that COH is a WW2 game lool  ).

So lets stop it and go back to the topic!

Point me out all instances where I did glorify Russia in this topic, if you don't mind.
I know Paciat is polish, it's in his profile.
I was talking about the simple fact that jokes like that are glorifying fascist psychology and are unacceptable for anyone, considered a proper human being.

[Paciat]

a huge amount of civilian casualties, a totally destroyed infrastructure, plus chaos and anarchy, which, in turn, only multiply casualties and the sufferings of survivors

My point was that its not the US that had their asses kicked in Korea or Vietnam. People seem to forget what you just pointed out. I accually like the US army as it cares about their soldiers more than most armies do.

a puppet regime instead of the former (not much more democratic, as the facts witness) that is capable to last just as long as you support it militarily, and right alter this support is gone, the regime collapses in the most ugly way, or at least goes into a deep coma

Just like the true communist ideas collapsed. Every country has its military to prevent that. If a country is filled with fucked up religious fanatics, they will win allways civil war to overthrown the democratic goverment even though they are a minority.
IRA was a good exemple(becouse its in Europe). People didnt like the UK army (people hate Police) but IRA had very low support of N. Ireland civilians (5%). But they fought anyway.

[IJoe]

If a country is filled with fucked up religious fanatics, they will win allways civil war to overthrown the democratic goverment even though they are a minority.

How can a country be possibly filled with a minority?
If the great majority of the population of some country are such lunatics (like in Iran i.e.) - well, it's their choice, and they'll have to live with it. What right has any country to state it's laws and life philosophy outside of it's borders? None, if you ask me.

[Paciat]

How can a country be possibly filled with a minority?
If the great majority of the population of some country are such lunatics (like in Iran i.e.) - well, it's their choice, and they'll have to live with it. What right has any country to state it's laws and life philosophy outside of it's borders? None, if you ask me.

Sure, If they dont attack anyone.
US allways had reasons to start a war. Even if those reasons were puny (terrorists hiding in mountains, being protected by the goverment becouse of their religion) US allways had them. I also dont blame US for benefiting from these wars. I mean US dosnt make soap from Taliban fat, they dont cut of their hands or burn their eyes out. They just use their Oil to move their armored "peacekeeping" vechicles.

[SK8ERatWAR]

but what we're talking about here is North-Korea..
which by the way has twice the amount of troops of america and russia combined (5 million) and having nukes.. (Ijoe said they don't have the means..)
And a psychopathic megalomaniac in charge of a brainwashed population..
I think it's necessity to do something about it..

[IJoe]

but what we're talking about here is North-Korea..
which by the way has twice the amount of troops of america and russia combined (5 million) and having nukes.. (Ijoe said they don't have the means..)
And a psychopathic megalomaniac in charge of a brainwashed population..
I think it's necessity to do something about it..

I think, you have to be sure that they are up to some serious action, and that assurance doesn't come to me after some border incident, which could be a simple setup, before you strike the first blow. All their minions of underarmed brainwashed soldiers aren't that much of a threat, considering modern age military technology in possession of NATO. Somehow China doesn't seem to bother about North Korea, though they do have a same border, unlike european countries or the US. The existence of nuclear technology without the proper means of it's delivery (and they don't have such to deliver a nuke to europe nor the US) is not a threat. Besides, there are no facts, firmly proving North Korea has it anyway, apart from words, that could be a simple attempt to scare off the potential threat of foreign invasion.

[Seeme]

IF America Needed to draft people, soldier count would be far more then 5 million...

[SK8ERatWAR]

but what we're talking about here is North-Korea..
which by the way has twice the amount of troops of america and russia combined (5 million) and having nukes.. (Ijoe said they don't have the means..)
And a psychopathic megalomaniac in charge of a brainwashed population..
I think it's necessity to do something about it..

I think, you have to be sure that they are up to some serious action, and that insurance doesn't come to me after some border incident, which could be a simple setup, before you strike the first blow. All their minions of underarmed brainwashed soldiers aren't that much of a threat, considering modern age military technoligy in possession of NATO. Somehow China doesn't seem to bother about North Korea, though they do have a same border, unlike european countries or the US. The existence of nuclear technology without the proper means of it's delivery (and they don't have such to deliver a nuke to europe nor the US) is not a threat. Besides, there are no facts, firmly proving North Korea has it anyway, apart from words, that could be a simple attempt to scare off the potential threat of foreign invasion.

yeah but i believe that, that border incident is such a serious action, that it is an act of war.. The 2nd world war started by leaders that were to anxious about making a step towards attacking germany. (or at least lasting this long, and having so many casualties)
I know that that's more then 60 years behind us and we're much more smarter now (sort of), but I think North-Korea, or just KYI isn't, to know it's a foolish act to make any kind of big invasion, yet he's smart enough that neither the US or the EU will do anything against "small" border incidents and such.. just like that torpedoeing of that south korean ship.. All these actions: mobilising their army, sinking a SK army vessel and attacking SK, with civilian casualties is big enough to react to by NATO

[IJoe]

yeah but i believe that, that border incident is such a serious action, that it is an act of war.. The 2nd world war started by leaders that were to anxious about making a step towards attacking germany. (or at least lasting this long, and having so many casualties)
I know that that's more then 60 years behind us and we're much more smarter now (sort of), but I think North-Korea, or just KYI isn't, to know it's a foolish act to make any kind of big invasion, yet he's smart enough that neither the US or the EU will do anything against "small" border incidents and such.. just like that torpedoeing of that south korean ship.. All these actions: mobilising their army, sinking a SK army vessel and attacking SK, with civilian casualties is big enough to react to by NATO

Just so that you know, since you are so seriously inclined to make political decisions of that scale and importance, both Koreas don't have the same understanding of their common border, which means that any of them would fire at any vessel or craft, trespassing "their" territory, while the other side would fairly consider it an "act of war", for each of them sees the disputed territories as their own.
Yeah, by the way, is the South Korea a member of NATO? If not, then NATO can not legally react to any act of aggression towards any country except the ones that signed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization pact. In simple words, any act of war, committed by NATO armed forces outside the terms of the treaty, mentioned above, will be no more then an international crime, but NATO and US don't seem to give a shit about any kind of laws anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming "scheduled" military training at the "South Korean" border will outgrow into a full scale war.
No offence to those of you, who, like myself, don't favour war as an instance.

[Blackbishop]

Afaik South Korea isn't part of NATO.

[IJoe]

Afaik South Korea isn't part of NATO.

Yeah, I know... I was being sarcastic... Shame on me 

[HyperSniper999]

but what we're talking about here is North-Korea..
which by the way has twice the amount of troops of america and russia combined (5 million) and having nukes.. (Ijoe said they don't have the means..)
And a psychopathic megalomaniac in charge of a brainwashed population..
I think it's necessity to do something about it..

Yea, but they're all conscripts. And still use T-34's.