finnish soldiers

[BurroDiablo]

the second russian mission itself put you in charge of roughly one hundred soldiers tasked with defending a train station against a much larger german force with no reinforcement options on your side. You litterally have to use all you have to hold long enough for the train to finish being loaded... which, without reinforcements or unit production makes for one hell of a mission ^^

I found that one harder than even the last Allied mission. The Germans just broke through as the mission was about to end, I had to round up the last of my men and literally order them to hold the tanks back with their bare hands! All the equiptment was either depleted or destroyed, they had no Anti-Tank grenades, so I was just hoping the Germans would shoot at my men and not the train, which is harsh, but it won the day.

Are you serious that their adding the Japs to MoW in a PATCH? Are they also adding an AI skirmish mode? God, that would let me die a happier person.

[iksu]

going off-topic 

[BurroDiablo]

And mentioning it is a huge contribution, thank you.

If people want to continue the discussion of what the Finnish achieved during the War, then go ahead, but the last 2 posts do not hinder the discussion in any way.

[HazeNinja]

Well,  in 1943 and 1944 the finn's received several shipments of StuG III's from Germany.So those could be called in panzer formations and/or build able tanks. They had a variety of machine guns also. I think they got mg42's from Germany, and also they used the Maxim.

[Flippis]

Well,  in 1943 and 1944 the finn's received several shipments of StuG III's from Germany.

Finns bought two batches. First batch arrived in the summer -43 and the second around the same time in -44, but the second batch was never in combat. Also, the stug's werent used in combat on that many occassions. Sturm companies took part in the battle of Kuuterselkä, Tali-Ihantala campaign and the battle of Äyräpää-Vuosalmi. Also two Sturms participated in the defense of Tienhaara. Other than that, they were quite rare sight to be seen in the battlefield. But when they were in action, they did their job quite well.

So those could be called in panzer formations and/or build able tanks. They had a variety of machine guns also.

Call-in units, like I already described in my previous post (nobody reads messages these days?) as buildable units wouldnt make sense, nor historically but also not in availability. They would have to helluva expensive and valuable.

I think they got mg42's from Germany, and also they used the Maxim.

No MG42's in finland. Only the Greif Division had a couple of MG42's during the battles of Gulf of Viipuri. Even the germans who were left to fight on in the war of Lapland didnt have MG42's, only  MG34's. Also, finns didnt buy any MG34's from the germans because they thought the machineguns and lightmachineguns already available in a lot larger numbers were qualified enough for their use. So instead of MG34/42's on Stug's, they used DT's. Same goes to regular infantry use, DP's, DT's, M/26's and of course Maxim Sokolov's were the weapons they used instead of the german counterparts.

[HazeNinja]

Thanks for the enlightenment  . Oh well, i tried lol

[Zerstörer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm9cjgR9WaQ&feature=related
Makes good viewing, not exactly Band of brothers materia but quite well made. Actual Stug3s and T34/76s!

[Panzer47]

I think the Finnish could be really cool. If they ever make it to the mod, I think they should lack vehicles, rely on infantry and have a lot of anti-vehicle abilities. It would be nice to see such a faction since most axis rely on vehicles. Here’s my idea for them:

Pioneeri – engineers
Weapon: m/28-30
Abilities – throw Kasapanos (satchel charge), lay mines

Barracks
Riflemen – like riflemen or volks but better, without anti-vehicle abilities
Upgrade: suomi

“Bomber” units – small group of anti-vehicle specialists, bad against infantry
Abilities: satchel charge, panzerfaust, lay mines

Sissi - guerrilla infantry, with very high capture rate
Weapons: Suomi
Abilities –

Infantry support center
Mortar crew
MG-crew
Sniper

Jaeger command
Jaeger brigade – like grenadiers
Weapons: m/28-30
Upgrade: panzershreck, Lahti-Saloranta mg
Lahti M39 crew – like anti-tank team, but little to no damage against tanks
20 mm Madsen – automatic cannon, good against both infantry and light vehicles
(Both Madsen en M39 would be like the Puma (gun) but stationary and longer range
37mm Bofors AT gun

Armor command
Landsverk Anti II AA tank
StuG III Ausf. G
Upgrade: logs protection

My only suggestion is to have the Finnish instead of another German faction, I think it would be refreshing and it would be nice to see an axis faction that doesn’t rely on tanks and other vehicles.

Anyway look forward to this mod. Great job so far. Though there is something I dislike, that‘s the conscripts without rifles.. If there should be units with limited weapons it should be the partisans.

[UeArtemis]

The BT-42 was a Finnish assault gun, constructed during the Continuation War

T-20 armored tractor Komsomolets in Finnish markings

T-26 light tank in Finnish markings

Luftvärnskanonvagn L-62 anti II, also known as Landsverk anti-II or L-62

T-50 light tank


So, the Finnish Army had:
БА-10/10М
БА-20/20М
BT-42
ИСУ-152В
КВ-1
КВ-1Е
Landsverk anti-II
Pz IV J
StuG III G
Т-26
Т-26Е Vickers
Т-28Е
Т-34-76
Т-34-85
Т-37/Т-38
Т-50
and etc.

[ford_prefect]

During the crucial moments in the summer -44 battles, President Ryti signed a contract with Hitler which even further tied the finns under the protection of the german wings. This meant that not only grain and other food supply were being transported to finland in massive amounts, but also the flow of new weapons and even fighting units were brought up to not only assist but to win a defensive victory on all karelian fronts.

Soviet Union started the war the same way germans started the war against the polish. They barraged a garrison of soldiers with their artillery near the fin-russo borders on the karelian isthmus. This of course led to the ridiculous claims that it was us finns who shot the russians with the artillery, ironically, we had barely no artillery units at the time, but also none of them were even remotely close to the place of incident.

Finns _lost_ the Winter War, we were forced to peace (what other options would we have had?), but we kept our independence because we gave the russians the lands they demanded from Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and more areas around the finnish borders for bases, such as Hanko for russian naval base.

Continuation War was started by the finns. With the new ally, the germans, finns launched a massive attack towards Soviet Union during Operation Barbarossa, just some time after the germans had started their attacks on northern finland and all over the eastern front. Finns first approached Ladoga's Karelia and from there they reached towards the city of Petroskoi and Olonets Karelia at river Svir. From Petroskoi, they moved towards Maaselkä Isthmus. During the time finns were advancing towards Petroskoi, another army group retook the city of Viipuri, which was lost after the peace-treaty agreements of Winter War. This army group also pushed all the way to the close vicinity of Leningrad and established their main defensive line on Karelian Isthmus. After 1941 and early 1942, all finnish attacks had been stalled and the soldiers dug in to their positions, in which they would stay until the summer of 1944.

Summer came and as the western allies had conducted the Operation Overlord in Normandy, Red Army started to fullfill it's part of this massive operation. Couple of days after Overlord, Red Army launched a massive assault on Karelian Isthmus, breaking through the main defensive line and within couple of weeks, pushing the finns all the way back to north to Viipuri-Kuparsaari-Taipale line. Red Army also launched two other massive assaults in Olonets Karelia and in Maaselkä Isthmus, and all these fronts saw intense battles of both defensive victories and devastating defeats for the finns.

After the battle of Ilomantsi, Red Army was stopped for the last time. It was the last defensive victory for the finns, but as in case of Winter War, peace negotiations ended to our surrender. Finland had lost its second war but kept its independence, yet again.

Ah yes Wikipedia the defense of a loosing argument 

[Flippis]

Seriously dude, do you have some sort of a problem with me or what? Stop the shit spin already.

[WartyX]

I don't like where this is going. Thread locked.

WartyX