omfg... Doesnt anybody see how much are mass Tank Hunters+ sniper spam strong?

[Leepriest]

Against PE especially... Those freakin snipers are health tanks by default...a I had three G43's squads focus fire on em(vetted) and the bugger still didnt die...
Cuz 3 tank hunter teams destroy pretty much anything that PE has to offer...(upgraded)
I tried the mortar halftrack to burn em and but failed with little effect.

Besides that Im a douchebag and have no sense of balance... tell me how wrong I am in the comments below

[GodlikeDennis]

Snipers are already considered a problem and there's another thread about them.

Tank hunters in this patch are perfectly fine.

PE should have absolutely no trouble with anything infantry based. Armoured cars or infantry halftracks are the way to go.

[Spieel]

I just played a 2v2 as wher and got owned by that as well.

[Zerstörer]

If he's spamming them, he doesn't have much other infantry or vehicles. Have you tried using 2 WH snipers? MP40 volks?

[One-eye]

Believe me i sympathise, this sniper vs PE thing has nearly made me put my fist through the monitor on a couple of occasions lol.   

[Spieel]

If he's spamming them, he doesn't have much other infantry or vehicles. Have you tried using 2 WH snipers? MP40 volks?

Mp40 volks yes, snipers, didn't really have the mp for it or thought about it truthfully, reinforcing my volks and mg had a bad drain on my MP. But will try it next time, thanks. And for some reason I kept thinking nebels will save me, which it failed to do. 

[Leepriest]

Actually im trying to point out how this combo is deadly for PE...Wehr has a much wider selection of units to use against this.

[Seeme]

Bugger, you counter my snipers all the time, you gotta be kidding me.

[Spieel]

Actually im trying to point out how this combo is deadly for PE...Wehr has a much wider selection of units to use against this.

True, sorry for the hijack.

[Sonders]

I don’t see the problem, especially vs PE or Wehr for that matter. If he has sharpshooters and tank hunters then that means he spent 70 fuel because those guys are not on the same tech tree in the support barracks. That's going to delay his tank hall. Why would you upgrade three PG to g43s? That's a waste. One is plenty, maybe two. If your playing a turtle game with PE vs Soviets then yes its going to be a problem. You cut off his resources and use inf HT and armored cars long before he gets a mass of anything, mp44 for your PG.  You chase down the sharp shooters with armor car, all the way home if you have to. Use over drive to escape from tank hunters. Do this in combination with g43 slow shot. Also the mortar HT is awesome vs soviets. Then later shricks and murdar for AT.  If he has mass sharp shooters and tank hunters then your doing it wrong. Butterfly bombs are awesome vs Soviets, seldom will they tech to the mine sweepers.
I don’t play a lot of PE but in 1v1 I would go luftwaffe. If you can sneak in a cloaked kitten and supported Marder and take down his tank hall, its game over right there.

I think T1/T3 pumas is best for Wehr. You can always back tech for pak if you see the Sherman call in. Or if your map control is good wait out for T4

[userstupidname]

Its the same way around a little

Haven't lost a single game with pe

Just go defensive mp44 and hetzers

Against soviet vet is the key to everything.

So each game goes like this:

I go dual - Tripple scout cars and caps like crazy while delaying soviet and stops sniper spam completely early game.

He starts getting ptrd's and tech up.

I get my ass handed to me by my build just trying to delay the soviets.

I start getting hetzers -> push out time to time and vet up.

Roll over them with v3 defensive bonus full army.





I really do think its balanced and while unit vs unit you might lose one has to take in consideration of all the time the enemy had to get all those sharpshooters.

[Chancellor]

I don't think the problem is the actual snipers or the PTDRs. 

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its the crit chance of the spotter that's ridiculously high.  IMO the spotter's rifle needs a nerf.  Also perhaps the tank hunters without PTDRs also need their rifles nerfed so that they can't also be used as front-line infantry even if they are un-upgraded.

[Paciat]

Actually im trying to point out how this combo is deadly for PE...Wehr has a much wider selection of units to use against this.

MP44 squads are the anser. Youll have 4 man squads before Soviets have both upgrades. Muni halftrack will help youre units stay on the field.

If you want Tank hunter rifles to be nerfed than Grenadier rifles should be nerfed as well.

[GodlikeDennis]

Can someone confirm this... Do THs have a very similar rifle to Gren wehr:elite K98s? They seem to be about this good.

Personally I don't see THs are a problem overall, however their nades do slightly too much damage. Sharpshooters are the problem. Yes the crit chance is too high on the spotter, and the health is slightly too much as well. Zerst already confirmed that they're fiddling with the sniper team already.

[Sonders]

Against soviet vet is the key to everything.

You got that right. Alot of Soviet players will go heavy on conscripts thinking they are meat shields, but what they really are is vet fodder for PE. they get vet so fast like that.

Hell, a 220mp no fuel scout car can chase sharpshooters down and kill them. Sharp shooters take a nerf with no other changes then its pointless to play Soviets any more because you will most likely be facing PE every time.

maybe that was you I just played. I was Soviets, had a Brit team mate that didn't know what the hell we was doing. Scout cars kept chasing my sharp shooters down. Had to put them in the HQ twice to save them.