Schwimmwagen

[GodlikeDennis]

They don't have blobs of volks/mgs. They have numerous bikes/schwimms. Have you read the thread at all?

[Seeme]

 I still think getting mines to stop a 180mp thing is to much. Who spams schiwimms anyway?

[GodlikeDennis]

Clearly the person this thread was aimed at. Who needs munis as Russians anyway?

[Seeme]

This is going no where, am gonna stop posting.

[SavageWorld]

Can you post a replay where you lose to or win with this strat than we can say more point out what USSR could have done to win.

Also: If you can get a 240 manpower advantages for 25 muni you should do so.

[Seeme]

I think is depends on how bad you need muni.

[Sonders]

I started this out saying Soviets have no counter to a Schmm start. Its been mentioned that tank hunters are the counter. Well he will have a schwim long before you have tank hunters. Ok 10 minutes is a long time, lets say 5 minutes. The schwim could have stopped several capping attempts in 5 minutes and supported volks and pios in 5 minutes gaining the map control start.

I did see a guy counter the schwim start, but it was because of the map. Kursk I think. It has that high fuel in the top right corner surrounded by houses. He got in the houses and schwim couldn’t do anything about it

if you going to impose all the fuel cost in the tank hall you need to do something to help the survivability of the soviet AT gun.

I know I know it has a long range keep it back, we all know that but remember cloaked storms sneak up, kill the gun then Ostwinds mop up or prop whats supporting the gun.

[Seeme]

Was it high or low recourse?

[Sonders]

It was one of the tournament games

Nice tournament btw; look like a good turn out

[GodlikeDennis]

30 fuel in is incredibly fast. You can attain this using the build order I mentioned earlier. Your TH will come out at the time when the Wehr player has only 3/4 T1 units.

As soon as he gets those schwimms out they are sunk costs and they WILL be countered by midgame. His very brief early advantage is completely countered as soon as a TH hits the field and you will wipe out most of his units and have an immense midgame advantage.

I don't even need to see the tourney replay. If he didn't get THs against bikespam then he went the wrong tech.

[Chancellor]

Dude seriously...beaten by swim spam?   ...really?   

You don't even need tank hunters / mines to deal with them...those are for the heavier stuff like pumas.  Micro your conscripts, get your men into cover, and fight them from green.  That's the bottom line.  Shoot the pios.  No, its not harder than it looks.  And you should be outcapping him. 

There's no magical strategy or build out there to make up for horsesh1t micro.

[AbhMkh]

Schwimmwagen type 128 - what the hell do you use it for??

Schwimmwagen type 166 - Looks like some fancy joyride in an amusement park

[Kolaris]

There was no "Schwimspam" in any of the Tournement games; believe me, I watched every single one

There were two games where 2 Schwims were built, both times were by partyduler. The one where he beat Rizz, I know for certain the second Schwim was only built as a replacement after the first died.

The second time when he beat Budwise, I don't remember if both were on the field at the same time, but he was able to go T1-T4 with only Storm support. I do remember Bud lost almost entirely because he got several Lend-Lease Shermans and they failed spectacularly against a Panther.

[Sonders]

Dude, dude, lol. Did i say anything about Schim spam??? ONE Schim, that's it. that's what im talking about. you should read before you post. everyone loves the word "spam" don't they. Or spam the word spam.

Mines in the first 5 minutes? Ok, i got to remember to lay a bunch of mines in the first 5 minutes, thanks.

micro and use cover. thanks. that's helps. you ever heard of the jeep push?

Partyduler used the schim start to get early map so he could go T1/T4 and it worked because Soviets have no early counter. Lacking fuel Bud went for two AT guns, both where de-crewed fast, right in front of his main.

So all I'm saying is if you loose early fuel you need a AT gun to keep you in the game. And what about PE? a better AT gun would balance that also.

[Paciat]

Dude, dude, lol. Did i say anything about Schim spam??? ONE Schim, that's it.

You got beaten by 1 Schim and some pios? 
You should fear PE scout car then. It has better armor, more HP and +20% of shimms/motorbikes dmg.