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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2010, 09:50:21 PM »
Yes. The game doesn't inform about level of realism, it says that it's realism is on higher level than other RTS, and is "historically accurate"...

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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2010, 01:52:32 AM »
So play BK mod. Tank MGs there shred infantry to pieces.
However I don't like situations, when 4 men squad charges frontally tank, which has 2-3 mg shooting them and main gun missing from 10 meters. That's pathetic and not real. However it would harm gameplay.

I don't see how it would harm gameplay at all. Good players would have to flank the tank somewhat. I'm suggesting not much other than the guns actually have some kind of effect. Even if they actually bite, all thats required is to attack from a flank side.


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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2010, 06:22:51 AM »
I can guarantee without any doubt whatsoever that this is not going to be changed. Perhaps one of the future tanks will have excellent hull/coax guns as a feature of that tank only, but the entire mechanic will never be reworked. By changing this, every tank in the game would have to have it's price (and perhaps other stats) completely changed. You may as well drop the subject.

Fireflies apparently have 20% accuracy vs infantry targets, which is strange because they seem to have worse accuracy than that ingame. Oh well, fireflies don't need to be better against infantry at all. In fact, fireflies are one of the better balanced units the Brits can field. They are a tank destroyer exclusively, and good at their job.
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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2010, 01:02:32 PM »
I can guarantee without any doubt whatsoever that this is not going to be changed. Perhaps one of the future tanks will have excellent hull/coax guns as a feature of that tank only, but the entire mechanic will never be reworked. By changing this, every tank in the game would have to have it's price (and perhaps other stats) completely changed. You may as well drop the subject.

Fireflies apparently have 20% accuracy vs infantry targets, which is strange because they seem to have worse accuracy than that ingame. Oh well, fireflies don't need to be better against infantry at all. In fact, fireflies are one of the better balanced units the Brits can field. They are a tank destroyer exclusively, and good at their job.

One of the better balanced units in the brit arsenal eh. I can only see this as a statement of comedy.

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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2010, 03:05:18 PM »
A word of advice AdmV0rl0n , the developers are aware of the imba to the british , developers do not act on their own accord , they act on the "EXPERTS" advice , who infact have caused the new imba , just wait and watch , we have voiced our concerns , they will do something about it

Some of those experts are highly biased towards the germans , some of them are the unbiased ones , who I'm sure will recommend the new changes

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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2010, 06:22:56 PM »
One of the better balanced units in the brit arsenal eh. I can only see this as a statement of comedy.

Then that makes two of us laughing. I do so every time you make a balance post on the British faction.
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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2010, 07:38:23 PM »
One of the better balanced units in the brit arsenal eh. I can only see this as a statement of comedy.

Then that makes two of us laughing. I do so every time you make a balance post on the British faction.

Such slights can only be dealt with on the field of play. So, here is the deal, I post here as I play in COH, and hide nothing. I don't smurf, and my record is in the open. So, seeing as you've made several statements to back up your position, I happily challenge you. You play Brits, I'll play Germans, and can prove your many points to me and make an example of me.

How about it, care to prove just how Powerful the brits are against a lowly player like me that knows nothing and can't play Germans?



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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2010, 12:57:02 PM »
A word of advice AdmV0rl0n , the developers are aware of the imba to the british , developers do not act on their own accord , they act on the "EXPERTS" advice , who infact have caused the new imba , just wait and watch , we have voiced our concerns , they will do something about it

Some of those experts are highly biased towards the germans , some of them are the unbiased ones , who I'm sure will recommend the new changes

cheers :D

lol i know that a firefly kan take out a tiger at 2 miles (3.2km)  while  tiger could kill a sherman from 3km and would blow it sky hi thats why a firefly is a tank destroyer and not a tank hunter and thats why its range is just bs the maurder was lucky to hit something at 3km so the ff  should have a better range bcouse maurders outrange it

btw when is the yank mortar gonna be fixed ? (at same range to wher becouse it has the range of a brit mortar
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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2010, 02:36:01 PM »
A word of advice AdmV0rl0n , the developers are aware of the imba to the british , developers do not act on their own accord , they act on the "EXPERTS" advice , who infact have caused the new imba , just wait and watch , we have voiced our concerns , they will do something about it

Some of those experts are highly biased towards the germans , some of them are the unbiased ones , who I'm sure will recommend the new changes

cheers :D

lol i know that a firefly kan take out a tiger at 2 miles (3.2km)  while  tiger could kill a sherman from 3km and would blow it sky hi thats why a firefly is a tank destroyer and not a tank hunter and thats why its range is just bs the maurder was lucky to hit something at 3km so the ff  should have a better range bcouse maurders outrange it

btw when is the yank mortar gonna be fixed ? (at same range to wher becouse it has the range of a brit mortar

As it stands, all that is required to deal with a FF is one vehicle and one tank, or one Pak and one tank. And if micro's correctly - the FF is dead.

The FF against lowly vehicles nominally misses with the first shot. And the second and third frequently don't kill lower tiered vehicles. Thus so long as you run the tank in behind this, you can get in a close enough tank V tank contact, and deal with the FF.

The simple brute fact is the FF is not the vehicle killer it should be. It still has all the penalties, weak armour, useless against INF, but its been watered down to an extend where you may as well be firing chocolate rounds against some german vehicles.

And then its not got the range it is supposed to have unless the command tank is in list. If people take the stag hound, they run round this place screaming OP OP OP, refusing to accept the brits lose the range on the FF as part of that - so whats the point? You may as well talk to the wall.

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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2010, 05:12:21 PM »
The only way of making any British AT except 17lbs work, is using Bren squads/carriers and buttoning the enemy tanks.

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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2010, 07:05:32 PM »
Hmm......


Developers  do make a note of this
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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2010, 12:53:50 AM »
One of the better balanced units in the brit arsenal eh. I can only see this as a statement of comedy.

Then that makes two of us laughing. I do so every time you make a balance post on the British faction.

Such slights can only be dealt with on the field of play. So, here is the deal, I post here as I play in COH, and hide nothing. I don't smurf, and my record is in the open. So, seeing as you've made several statements to back up your position, I happily challenge you. You play Brits, I'll play Germans, and can prove your many points to me and make an example of me.

How about it, care to prove just how Powerful the brits are against a lowly player like me that knows nothing and can't play Germans?

GodLikeDennis is incapable of proving the over powering might of the brit faction. I find that really rather telling. Step up? Or step off

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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2010, 01:03:08 AM »
I suggest to PM this type of comments to him. No one will miss them.
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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2010, 03:31:30 AM »
what is PM?
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Re: Comet vs Sherman Firefly
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2010, 04:14:21 AM »
Personal Message ;)...
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