1.20 and 1.21 Observation about brit changes

[Blackbishop]

@AdmV0rl0n

The Stuart and the Staghound have almost the same stats. I don't know what make you think that the latter is better than the former. And you will get the command tank and the staghound with -100HP, a worthy sacrifice... and you could stop crying about have to choose just one of them to use. Forget about where it comes, that's BS, the command tank should not be replaced because it's the only unit that benefits british tanks and allows them to perform better.

I don't want to discuss about most of the infantry that rides in the kangaroo is already deployed when you begin to construct those tanks because it's an endless loop.

Perhaps in future versions more fixes come to the british side, I'm looking forward, but looks like you aren't. Because you underestimate EF Team and believes that everything they do to the brits it's a nerf.

...
* Staghound MG Gunner is now in line with other MG Gunners.
(Not sure, Nerf?)
* Increase delay of Forward Observation Officers (FOO) from 2.0 to 2.75 seconds. (Nerf )
* PIAT accuracy vs infantry reduced. (Nerf, seems like a very one sided deal about now.. :/ )
* Sappers now has wire cutters. (Nerf, I blow up sand bags and barb with piats in needed, and you've robbed the sappers of the ambush)
* Bren Carrier now receives double damage while repairing. (Nerf, the bren already stops firing when repairing which was bad enough)
...

And besides you feel insulted, Budwise spoken the truth.

If anyone is arguing that the Roo nerf was unjustified please uninstall and break your CoH disc.  They were/are the most broken unit in CoH's history without a doubt.

+1.

@Zerstörer
Thank you very much, for an unknown reason yesterday I didn't saw your post !!

While dreaming about the Stag replacing the Stuart, it could have an armored skirts-like-upgrade to give them +100HP or something like the phosphorus rounds to stun a tank(due the nerfing of the infantry section bren button), I think that suits better to the brits than US.

[Kolaris]

The Staghound would surely make more sense as a Stuart replacement. The only thing making it worthwhile was the broken .50 cal.

Lowering its health from 450 to 300 and it would be just about good to go I think.

Its drastic I know, but its obviously not suited for CCT replacement (never was), and it isn't worthwhile there anymore. Might be the only way to balance it.

[AbhMkh]

The problem with brits is that they don't have many choices

And whatever choices they do have are being "balanced" by the "developers" and "balance experts"

"A thief is a thief whether he's trying to make a living or trying to earn some extra money"

note : do not take literally


Firefly was my favourite TD till now , but with the introduction of the comet i thhink the comet is better

In a 1 vs 1 match of marder vs FF , the FF always wins due to its armor and better penetration



Lets see whtever "balance" changes are made to the brits in the future

 

[AdmV0rl0n]

@AdmV0rl0n

The Stuart and the Staghound have almost the same stats. I don't know what make you think that the latter is better than the former. And you will get the command tank and the staghound with -100HP, a worthy sacrifice... and you could stop crying about have to choose just one of them to use. Forget about where it comes, that's BS, the command tank should not be replaced because it's the only unit that benefits british tanks and allows them to perform better.

I don't want to discuss about most of the infantry that rides in the kangaroo is already deployed when you begin to construct those tanks because it's an endless loop.

Perhaps in future versions more fixes come to the british side, I'm looking forward, but looks like you aren't. Because you underestimate EF Team and believes that everything they do to the brits it's a nerf.

...
* Staghound MG Gunner is now in line with other MG Gunners.
(Not sure, Nerf?)
* Increase delay of Forward Observation Officers (FOO) from 2.0 to 2.75 seconds. (Nerf )
* PIAT accuracy vs infantry reduced. (Nerf, seems like a very one sided deal about now.. :/ )
* Sappers now has wire cutters. (Nerf, I blow up sand bags and barb with piats in needed, and you've robbed the sappers of the ambush)
* Bren Carrier now receives double damage while repairing. (Nerf, the bren already stops firing when repairing which was bad enough)
...

And besides you feel insulted, Budwise spoken the truth.

If anyone is arguing that the Roo nerf was unjustified please uninstall and break your CoH disc.  They were/are the most broken unit in CoH's history without a doubt.

+1.

@Zerstörer
Thank you very much, for an unknown reason yesterday I didn't saw your post !!

While dreaming about the Stag replacing the Stuart, it could have an armored skirts-like-upgrade to give them +100HP or something like the phosphorus rounds to stun a tank(due the nerfing of the infantry section bren button), I think that suits better to the brits than US.

No, you don't want to discuss the infantry, which costs the brit faction a fortune, and will be lesser in number than other factions and have a crippled capping ability. Thats obvious from the start.

[Kinkas]

No, you don't want to discuss the infantry, which costs the brit faction a fortune, and will be lesser in number than other factions and have a crippled capping ability. That's obvious from the start.

Just wow, I can't be bothered quoting everything ignorant you have said, but this will do to convey my message.

Your statement is just stupendously ignorant and bias. You talk about all the cons and leave out the fact that Brit infantry have Soldier Armour and on top of that do good damage as well. SO GUESS WAT!!!!!  , they don't need to be super cheap and super fast cappers. Its called balance. SHOCK HORROR!!!!

AdmV0rl0n your just a winger, you point out all the negatives that hinder your linear play style and ignore the opinion of experienced players. I seriously suggest you step back for a second, read peoples posts twice, think about where they are coming from with their points, and take it in.

Lastly I suggest before you post you re-read it, think about what you are about to post, then highlight it, delete it, log off the forum and go put your hand under an iron to punish yourself for ever thinking you could contribute to an intellectual forum.

Peace

[GodlikeDennis]

AdmV0rl0n, just had myself a gander at your stats and lols were had. Play something other than brit skirmishes if you ever want to contribute to a balance forum again.

[Paciat]

No, you don't want to discuss the infantry, which costs the brit faction a fortune, and will be lesser in number than other factions and have a crippled capping ability. That's obvious from the start.

Just wow, I can't be bothered quoting everything ignorant you have said, but this will do to convey my message.

Your statement is just stupendously ignorant and bias. You talk about all the cons and leave out the fact that Brit infantry have Soldier Armour and on top of that do good damage as well. SO GUESS WAT!!!!!  , they don't need to be super cheap and super fast cappers. Its called balance. SHOCK HORROR!!!!

Noone said nothing about a capping unit like Pios or kettens.
Tommies dmg is worst than volks. What good dmg?

The fact is that UK has the lowest number of units on the field and cant outproduce axis untill Cromwells apear.
UK also cannot outcap any fraction.

Kinkas, you dont know what youre talking about.

Lastly I suggest before you post you re-read it, think about what you are about to post, then highlight it, delete it, log off the forum and go put your hand under an iron to punish yourself for ever thinking you could contribute to an intellectual forum.

Talking to youreself?

[GodlikeDennis]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about brenned tommies, who provide immense dps. And Brits are obviously very map dependent with their capping ability.

This thread should end. A new thread should begin with the new proposed changes including moving the stag to be a stuart replacement while reducing it's health. But remember, no major rebalances are going to happen. Brits will be eternally broken due to factors we've already discussed to death Paciat. The best we can hope for is a reasonably balanced faction that's less map dependent than it currently is and has no glaring OP/UP units or abilities.

[AbhMkh]

The comet is a "tier 3 unit of doom" , it can destroy most german armor at "Standard Combat Ranges"


Dont you think so??
Post Merge: August 05, 2010, 01:34:31 PMThe comet is a "tier 3 unit of doom" , it can destroy most german armor at "Standard Combat Ranges"


Dont you think so??

[Kinkas]

Witty Paciat, you have devolved into schoolyard comebacks.... But I am flattered you see my comment fit to use against me.

The good damage comment was general and you made it specific to starting forces, if you had a brain you would understand late game British infantry are very strong. Maybe it was my fault for assuming we were all on beginner level intelligence and higher. Also British can't cap very fast but that doesn't mean that they won't have map control.

And once again you argue a bias one sided point to make it seem as if you are correct. Jesus Christ, if there is a problem explain it in its exact specific entirety. i.e I think that British infantry that have been vet stacked are to hard to kill for the amount of damage they output**. See how I didn't list every disadvantage and narrowed it down to an actual point of information. Its a basic way to explain and debate a point, which many people on this forum are incapable of doing.

As Dennis said this thread is basically over, say what you will, but I think this a issue best settled on the battlefield. If you feel up to it add Kinkasthered, its my EF testing account. I will be up for a game XD.

**THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, DO NOT TRY AND ARGUE THIS POINT AS IT IS AN EXAMPLE. IN NO WAY OR FORM DOES IT REPRESENT A VIEW OR OPINION, OR GIVE ENTITLEMENT TO DISCUSSION ON THE AM-MENTIONED POINT WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE.

[Paciat]

Witty Paciat, you have devolved into schoolyard comebacks.... But I am flattered you see my comment fit to use against me.

The good damage comment was general and you made it specific to starting forces, if you had a brain you would understand late game British infantry are very strong.Maybe it was my fault for assuming we were all on beginner level intelligence and higher. Also British can't cap very fast but that doesn't mean that they won't have map control.

300MP Vet 2 shreck squad beats a 450MP Tommy squad.
You are dumb if you dont understand that Wehrmacht is the strongest of all late game fractions.
PE MP44 dont care if they kill infantry or Soldiers armor and Commando Stens are weak vs anything but infantry armor.

And once again you argue a bias one sided point to make it seem as if you are correct. Jesus Christ, if there is a problem explain it in its exact specific entirety. i.e I think that British infantry that have been vet stacked are to hard to kill for the amount of damage they output**.

As Ive said before, Tommies have dmg than Volks. Understand now?
You cant expect that a Tommy squad with an LT - 730MP! - will die to a Volks squad. Thats why they have armor that is allmost as good as german elite type armor.
Just build youre blob or drop arti on them or place mines.
Wehrmacht has the most choices of all fractions while PE is the ultimate blob forming fraction.

See how I didn't list every disadvantage and narrowed it down to an actual point of information. Its a basic way to explain and debate a point, which many people on this forum are incapable of doing.

You didnt list nothing.
How about backing youre dumb comments with any stats.
Can you that?

As Dennis said...

The big German lover Dennis. At least he knows something (pretty much I must say).
His posts make sence.

[AdmV0rl0n]

AdmV0rl0n, just had myself a gander at your stats and lols were had. Play something other than brit skirmishes if you ever want to contribute to a balance forum again.

Please, post my stats.
If you find someone else who knows the brits like I do, and maybe one day when you can compare, you can speak again.
Post Merge: August 05, 2010, 02:50:21 PM

No, you don't want to discuss the infantry, which costs the brit faction a fortune, and will be lesser in number than other factions and have a crippled capping ability. That's obvious from the start.

Just wow, I can't be bothered quoting everything ignorant you have said, but this will do to convey my message.

Your statement is just stupendously ignorant and bias. You talk about all the cons and leave out the fact that Brit infantry have Soldier Armour and on top of that do good damage as well. SO GUESS WAT!!!!!  , they don't need to be super cheap and super fast cappers. Its called balance. SHOCK HORROR!!!!

AdmV0rl0n your just a winger, you point out all the negatives that hinder your linear play style and ignore the opinion of experienced players. I seriously suggest you step back for a second, read peoples posts twice, think about where they are coming from with their points, and take it in.

Lastly I suggest before you post you re-read it, think about what you are about to post, then highlight it, delete it, log off the forum and go put your hand under an iron to punish yourself for ever thinking you could contribute to an intellectual forum.

Peace

Good damage against what? The only good damage the first squad do is in first contact. Period. And usually only if the sniper shot is used. This takes place in one contact area on the map. This equates to one capping point that is contested. In the mean time, All the PIO or Ketten ground being swallowed up continues.

The bren squad might do good damage, but guess what, wait 450 for that, and try to find the ammo for the bren, then walk it across enemy territory - which this supposed heavy squad do more slowly than any other squad in game.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and you posted your idiotic posting as part of some pathetic joke.

[Strayker]

@Kinkas beg me pardon, but your abusing behaviour dont belong to "an intellectual forum" as your own words are. Be constructive and when someone doesnt share your beliefs it doesnt mean he needs to "put his hand under an iron"! If im right this is a discussion and in this type of conversation every man can post freely what he has on his mind without being abused!

[GreenApple]

Someone should lock this thread. This isn't a conversation anymore. Sorry, but this is a flaming/bitching- and a I-know-much-more-than-you thread.

[AbhMkh]

Yes lock this thread