For the future patch that balances other factions.

[Blackbishop]

So, we don't wanna have tons of new units, right?
Just change the doctrine order, I believe it was already discussed on GR.org. So it's not really really a new GreenApple-Suggestion.

Yeah, you're right ... brits need the reorder of the doctrine and if that will be done, perhaps they can fix their vet and make commandos useful at middle(at the point where MP44 is everywhere)/late game!!!

[Strayker]

Yeah right! And make the PE Scorched Earth Hummel first in its tree and lower the CP, that would be fun and i can decimate everything in early game when US and UK only have tier 1 buildings! Im absolutely against any further changing in vanila factions...one thing was balance tweaks, but another is changing order of doctrine powers.

[GreenApple]

It is a matter of the left Commandostree.
It is already taken into consideration for some time past on GR.org.

[Blackbishop]

Yeah right! And make the PE Scorched Earth Hummel first in its tree and lower the CP, that would be fun and i can decimate everything in early game when US and UK only have tier 1 buildings! Im absolutely against any further changing in vanila factions...one thing was balance tweaks, but another is changing order of doctrine powers.

Honestly, I could care less about what you think. PE doctrines are good at it's current order as wehr and US; Commando HQ comes when it isn't needed at all, it should come first to support tactics, hence it needs a revision.

You should be accepting that CoH is dead for Relic. It's up the community to fix whatever they messed up, and that change didn't go against CoH "nature". Brits need some tweaks and everybody knows that.

Looks like you are dealing with accepting the fact that the US M10 bug cannot be solved in other easy way, think of these things as balance changes, but wait a second they're balance changes and the M10 was a special case!!! I would rather using the new M36 that I'm sure isn't bugged than the M10.

Why do you think CoH Team never solved that? - Because the model had a problem and they don't care about it. Hence EF team tried to fix it but they have two solutions, work with the bugged model to fix it or insert a new one that fits, the easier way was the latter*; that aside the model looks like the same, also has the same stats so I don't know why are you mad about that.

On topic again all of us want a balanced british faction. I'm aware that's impossible but we don't need it to be perfect... All in all it's up to devs, they not gonna change their mind just because we said this or you think that.

*P.S. That's my theory of how devs worked, therefore I don't know the current facts that lead them to implement that tank.

[GreenApple]

Yeah right! And make the PE Scorched Earth Hummel first in its tree and lower the CP, that would be fun and i can decimate everything in early game when US and UK only have tier 1 buildings! Im absolutely against any further changing in vanila factions...one thing was balance tweaks, but another is changing order of doctrine powers.

Honestly, I could care less about what you think. PE doctrines are good at it's current order as wehr and US; Commando HQ comes when it isn't needed at all, it should come first to support tactics, hence it needs a revision.

You should be accepting that CoH is dead for Relic. It's up the community to fix whatever they messed up, and that change didn't go against CoH "nature". Brits need some tweaks and everybody knows that.

Looks like you are dealing with accepting the fact that the US M10 bug cannot be solved in other easy way, think of these things as balance changes, but wait a second they're balance changes and the M10 was a special case!!! I would rather using the new M36 that I'm sure isn't bugged than the M10.

Why do you think CoH Team never solved that? - Because the model had a problem and they don't care about it. Hence EF team tried to fix it but they have two solutions, work with the bugged model to fix it or insert a new one that fits, the easier way was the latter; that aside the model looks like the same, also has the same stats so I don't know why are you mad about that.

On topic again all of us want a balanced british faction. I'm aware that's impossible but we don't need it to be perfect... All in all it's up to devs, they not gonna change their mind just because we said this or you think that.

Amen ... That's how it should be.

[Strayker]

Yeah right! And make the PE Scorched Earth Hummel first in its tree and lower the CP, that would be fun and i can decimate everything in early game when US and UK only have tier 1 buildings! Im absolutely against any further changing in vanila factions...one thing was balance tweaks, but another is changing order of doctrine powers.

Honestly, I could care less about what you think. PE doctrines are good at it's current order as wehr and US; Commando HQ comes when it isn't needed at all, it should come first to support tactics, hence it needs a revision.

You should be accepting that CoH is dead for Relic. It's up the community to fix whatever they messed up, and that change didn't go against CoH "nature". Brits need some tweaks and everybody knows that.

Looks like you are dealing with accepting the fact that the US M10 bug cannot be solved in other easy way, think of these things as balance changes, but wait a second they're balance changes and the M10 was a special case!!! I would rather using the new M36 that I'm sure isn't bugged than the M10.

Why do you think CoH Team never solved that? - Because the model had a problem and they don't care about it. Hence EF team tried to fix it but they have two solutions, work with the bugged model to fix it or insert a new one that fits, the easier way was the latter*; that aside the model looks like the same, also has the same stats so I don't know why are you mad about that.

On topic again all of us want a balanced british faction. I'm aware that's impossible but we don't need it to be perfect... All in all it's up to devs, they not gonna change their mind just because we said this or you think that.

*P.S. That's my theory of how devs worked, therefore I don't know the current facts that lead them to implement that tank.

Well i dont care about your opinion as well...in short its Devs decision whether or not they will implement further changes to existing factions or not. As for the M10...that was discussed at another thread.

[Kolaris]

M10 bug can be fixed 90% of the way without an animator. The only casualty is that the recoil of the barrel is removed.

Personally, and I have a very high standard for aesthetic quality in mods, its good enough. I'd like to see the M10 come back, with the M36 as an reward unit replacement. Stronger gun, but more expensive.

[GreenApple]

I dont care how many times you will say it again...maybe you can count it as sheeps before sleeping, again i dont care.

Well i dont care about your opinion as well

Be a little friendlier please.
Bring it on!

[Strayker]

I dont care how many times you will say it again...maybe you can count it as sheeps before sleeping, again i dont care.

Well i dont care about your opinion as well

Be a little friendlier please.
Bring it on!

I am always friendlier...but if someone starts to be nasty or hes claiming to be a smartass...then i must adapt to this kind of conversation, though i wanted to be polite.

[Blackbishop]

Yeah right! And make the PE Scorched Earth Hummel first in its tree and lower the CP, that would be fun and i can decimate everything in early game when US and UK only have tier 1 buildings! Im absolutely against any further changing in vanila factions...one thing was balance tweaks, but another is changing order of doctrine powers.

I dont care how many times you will say it again...maybe you can count it as sheeps before sleeping, again i dont care.

Well i dont care about your opinion as well

Be a little friendlier please.
Bring it on!

I am always friendlier...but if someone starts to be nasty or hes claiming to be a smartass...then i must adapt to this kind of conversation, though i wanted to be polite.

Who were the smartass I wonder?

Ok, that settles the issue. I just want to arrive safe at home ...

M10 bug can be fixed 90% of the way without an animator. The only casualty is that the recoil of the barrel is removed.

Personally, and I have a very high standard for aesthetic quality in mods, its good enough. I'd like to see the M10 come back, with the M36 as an reward unit replacement. Stronger gun, but more expensive.

I agree that the M10 will be missed

[GodlikeDennis]

I wouldn't really care if it were a medieval battering ram with the same stats as the M10. So long as it works.

[AbhMkh]

lol , I too support the m36 jackson being more powerful than the m10 only in terms of penetration(equal to pershing) , i made a thread abt it if you guys correctly remember ,

However Americans , dont need nymore units , they have more variety than they can use , its the british in the allies that need more units

[Strayker]

I agree that the M10 will be missed

Finally something with which i can agree with you. Anyway i dont want to start the topic about the M10 again...its discussed in another thread and i got the point.

[Blackbishop]

I wouldn't really care if it were a medieval battering ram with the same stats as the M10. So long as it works.

Hahaha!!! That's how it should be!! .

[Kolaris]

I am...confused.

Finally got in a string of EF games (had a blast) but I'm disappointed by the M36. Its misfire is worse than the M10.

Not only does it still have the windup (the source of the misfire), but its turret speed is 24 vs 60. Turret speed drastically influences the misfire, but its also a straight downgrade from the M10 since they're identical in every other way.

Amazing model though. Still, especially since it isn't a solution to the misfire, I'd suggest making it a Reward unit for the M10 + reinstating the M10.