Suggestions for Reward units for the UK, US, SU, WH, PE, OH

[Venoxxis]

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU

There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!

+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3? 

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2 

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!

I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.

[Red_Stinger]

I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already

Yea, I think also they would have done it already. In the other hand, if its possible, it could be a lot of hard work! 

Anyway, IS-3 is a very good idea for soviets despite the historical inaccurary. I'm glad you have the same opinion! 

[One-eye]

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU

There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!

+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3? 

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2 

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!

I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.

Hmm i'm not so sure about the IS-3, it looks pretty cool but it really is a postwar tank. I mean i can't find any real record of its use against the Germans. 

Also in game terms it would just be an IS-2 on steroids and therefore the question has to be asked, is that really that original?

I mean this is why i was talking about the T-35 earlier and liked what Paciat was saying about things like the T-28.  Both designs are totally different and could serve a different strategic function, the IS-3 on the other hand just seems to be another Russian tank destroyer. 

[AbhMkh]

You Know what , lets put the "T-90s , M1 Abraham,Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 " tanks in the game it will be "lots of fun"

[Venoxxis]

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU

There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!

+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3? 

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2 

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!

I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.

Hmm i'm not so sure about the IS-3, it looks pretty cool but it really is a postwar tank. I mean i can't find any real record of its use against the Germans. 

Also in game terms it would just be an IS-2 on steroids and therefore the question has to be asked, is that really that original?

I mean this is why i was talking about the T-35 earlier and liked what Paciat was saying about things like the T-28.  Both designs are totally different and could serve a different strategic function, the IS-3 on the other hand just seems to be another Russian tank destroyer.

The T-28 is a nice idea, we had a discussion like that once here. But after that someone posted the IS-3. Impressed by its data and look most forum users did agree to idea. Even a team-member considered it.

The IS-3 was a post war tank in some point of view i agree. But it was planned during the 2nd ww and it was build during the 2nd ww (Yes, up to 300 were build!!) which make it a WW2 tank - even with its futuristic look.


And of corse, you could compare it to a IS-2 on steriods.
But does that make it being a worse tank?

Well i do like the Tiger I, even if its a PZ-4 on freakin steroids as well.
I got your point here, but the game proofs that right that doesnt matter after all.



The soviets were the only allied nation which had something to face the german tanks even in 1943+. This tank would have a lot of symbolic valve therefore, because the allied would have a real beast tank like that, even if it was a medium tank somehow.

This tank would rock hell for gods sake, its pure power 



Regards,

-V-

[One-eye]

SU
SU-122 - Already coming...
SU-76 - Light replacement for T70... Light Tank Destroyer with less armour than the '70...
ZSU-37 - T-34 with a AA Gun ontop... Replaces the T90...
Valentine Mk. 3 - Armed with a 2PDR-6PDR-75MM gun, replace the Lend-Lease Sherman..
IS-3 - Replacing the ISU

There was a thread about this one some month ago. The devs really seemed to like the idea or already had some plans about it.

Looks promising.. lets have a real oponent for the Tiger/KT!

+1

Yea there was a discussion about this in the soviet army suggestion forum, which look like dead!

Do the dev have already a model for the IS-3? 

It would be a nice counter to KT, but Tiger are already countered by IS-2 

But, can dev make a new armor type for COH? I mean, IS-3 was so tough, that making him a Jagdpanther armor would be strange (and also OP?  ). With the same gun than IS-2, and maybe slightly more speed, it would be THE tank of COH !!!

I dont know if that works, but it would be very interesting.
But i dont think it does work, because if so, they would have done it already

If they have to use an old armour type, so i guess it gonna be either the Pershing again (with more health) or the Jagd. But not sure of this type works for tanks with turrets as well.


And yea, i agree to you. It should be a bit faster (which fits also historically perfectly), and toughter than the IS-2. (fits as well )

Actually, this one should outclass the Tiger. As the best medium tank in the whole game - it would be threatening for even the haviest tanks.

Hmm i'm not so sure about the IS-3, it looks pretty cool but it really is a postwar tank. I mean i can't find any real record of its use against the Germans. 

Also in game terms it would just be an IS-2 on steroids and therefore the question has to be asked, is that really that original?

I mean this is why i was talking about the T-35 earlier and liked what Paciat was saying about things like the T-28.  Both designs are totally different and could serve a different strategic function, the IS-3 on the other hand just seems to be another Russian tank destroyer.

The T-28 is a nice idea, we had a discussion like that once here. But after that someone posted the IS-3. Impressed by its data and look most forum users did agree to idea. Even a team-member considered it.

The IS-3 was a post war tank in some point of view i agree. But it was planned during the 2nd ww and it was build during the 2nd ww (Yes, up to 300 were build!!) which make it a WW2 tank - even with its futuristic look.


And of corse, you could compare it to a IS-2 on steriods.
But does that make it being a worse tank?

Well i do like the Tiger I, even if its a PZ-4 on freakin steroids as well.
I got your point here, but the game proofs that right that doesnt matter after all.



The soviets were the only allied nation which had something to face the german tanks even in 1943+. This tank would have a lot of symbolic valve therefore, because the allied would have a real beast tank like that, even if it was a medium tank somehow.

This tank would rock hell for gods sake, its pure power 



Regards,

-V-

Yeah i can see theirs a historical argument for including the IS3 for symbolic reasons and its by far not the strangest addition to the game *cough Bergetiger cough*.  However, i still remain a little unconvinced.

I still see two big problems with including it, firstly it would be not just an extremely powerful tank but probably the most powerful tank in the entire game.  For me that just screams balance issues and people moaning of it being OP. 

Now i'm aware that the developers can balance this out but the part of my brain that plays WH or PE is already wondering, "do the Russians really need this"?

The second problem is where would this tank would fit in?

The only tank i can really see this replacing is the ISU-152, which is fairly close match in terms of ability.  However, the ISU-152 is pretty much the best tank destroyer apart from perhaps the Jagdpanther , so why would you want to replace it?  Bigger isn't necessarily always better. 

That said its still a beautiful tank and i certainly wouldn't mind if its a reward unit, it just wouldn't be my personal choice to include it. 

Actually if we were going to ignore historical accuracy i'd included this beauty:

ISU-152 model 1945
http://mk-armour.narod.ru/1996/03/Photo_15.jpg

Cheers

[GamblerSK]

i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank 

now realy IS-3 is a good idea if it will be balanced well i dont see problem, maybe a high cost or population cost can balance it

IS is a tank so it can turn turret so theres a reason why IS and not ISU

[One-eye]

i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank 

now realy IS-3 is a good idea if it will be balanced well i dont see problem, maybe a high cost or population cost can balance it

IS is a tank so it can turn turret so theres a reason why IS and not ISU

  Haha, yeah that would be awesome/hilarious/terrifying +1

I had considered the point about the turret, i suppose my real fear is the whole arms race mentality setting in.  I mean i really see the ISU-152 and the Jagdtiger as the absolute upper limit of what's acceptable in Coh in general. 

If you go past a certain point (this becomes even more true when the Ostheer are introduced) people will just keep demanding bigger and bigger tanks and the whole thing spirals out of control.  I mean next you'll get people saying "well the Russians get the IS3, maybe the Ostheer should have the Sturer Emil tank destroyer to counter it".

Then the existing factions wet themselves with fear, turn tail and run when they realise how hopelessly outclassed they are by the two EF factions.   

[Seeme]

You Know what , lets put the "T-90s , M1 Abraham,Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 " tanks in the game it will be "lots of fun"

MC mod is for you!

[Tico_1990]

Just a suggestion, I know that the coding and such of the T35 would be really hard (or as some say, impossible), but I'm not sure if that is so. I noticed that the WM HT with flame upgrade is able to fire at different squads at the same time could this coding perhaps be used? (or is this coded in a similar fashion to the hull mg and coax mg of tanks?)
I'm not saying that I want a T35, I do however agree that it would look nice so I'm just bringing up stuff which might (perhaps) work.

Cheers

[Venoxxis]

i want this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMK_tank 

now realy IS-3 is a good idea if it will be balanced well i dont see problem, maybe a high cost or population cost can balance it

IS is a tank so it can turn turret so theres a reason why IS and not ISU

  Haha, yeah that would be awesome/hilarious/terrifying +1

I had considered the point about the turret, i suppose my real fear is the whole arms race mentality setting in.  I mean i really see the ISU-152 and the Jagdtiger as the absolute upper limit of what's acceptable in Coh in general. 

If you go past a certain point (this becomes even more true when the Ostheer are introduced) people will just keep demanding bigger and bigger tanks and the whole thing spirals out of control.  I mean next you'll get people saying "well the Russians get the IS3, maybe the Ostheer should have the Sturer Emil tank destroyer to counter it".

Then the existing factions wet themselves with fear, turn tail and run when they realise how hopelessly outclassed they are by the two EF factions.   

Thats true, ISU and especially the Jagdtiger are the upper limits. The jagdtiger is really so freakin big it will outclass everything even the kingtiger because it is even longer. Will be hard to drive this huge beast from A to B for sure..


But the IS-3 wont be the most powerfull tank in the game, i guess you image it a bit too powerfull at the moment. It was still a 45 ton tank, there is no space for super armour.

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/data/is3.htm this site tells some infos about its armour. In the front, it didnt had more armour than the IS-2, the only advantage is the Λ-shape. The sides were still compareable weak armoured. The turret than, is said to have up to 100-220mm armour, but the 220mm is just because of its geometry (spheric-concept).
That said, cast-iron was used. And cast has way worse features than welded plates.

To put it in a nutshell, it was a good tank, but it wouldnt have outclassed the Kingtiger for example. Not even mentioning the gun performance.

Placing it somewhere between the kingtiger and the usual tiger would make it being a nice addition. 


Regards,

-V-

[Zerstörer]

Actually, as a 45 ton tank it still had better armour protection than a KT, but not more than a Jagdtiger. Israeli M48 Patton tanks with 90mm guns had problems defeating their armour in 1967.

In game terms, all it would have been is an IS2, but instead of 'Pershing armour' it would have 'Jagdpanther armour', hardly OP. 

Alas, no one has modeled it yet and there are no plans for it either....BurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now

[One-eye]

Actually, as a 45 ton tank it still had better armour protection than a KT, but not more than a Jagdtiger. Israeli M48 Patton tanks with 90mm guns had problems defeating their armour in 1967.

In game terms, all it would have been is an IS2, but instead of 'Pershing armour' it would have 'Jagdpanther armour', hardly OP. 

Alas, no one has modeled it yet and there are no plans for it either....BurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now

Ah ok, well i guess that brings a close to that argument for now then. 

@Venoxxis
By the way thanks very much for the link to that site, i'm definitely going to spend a few hours(days) trawling through it. 

cheers. 

[SublimeSnugz]

BurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now

zomg that means another EF dev is gone ?... did burro ever finish his IL-2 model ? 

[Venoxxis]

BurroDiablo was the only one who might have made it but...he's effectively retired from modding now

zomg that means another EF dev is gone ?... did burro ever finish his IL-2 model ? 

Oh damn really, thats really bad news.
I did really like that self-willed guy which was always going his very own way.


@about the armour of the IS-3 - its really hard to judge.
the hull was almost as good armoured as the KT- i agree, especially because of its shape.

But the turret is really hard to jugde, being casted, a good hit surely penetrated it with ease. (100mm) _|_ but a hit at the side (from the front) would have less pentetration due to the geometry and the resulting armour thickness. Also for the performance of its gun, i guess classing it behind the KT is a good choise.


Too bad about burro