[1.11] Soviet Infantry Problem

[HansBlix]

But the volkssturm were never as numerous as soviet militia

Because SU had more pop cap ^^

soviets began to capture german soldiers in 1943/1944. German began to capture soviet in 1941

Thats facts twisting. Like we already agreed, the situation changed during the war. I.e. no more capturing for germans towards the end.

I agree with you that the Red Army dont reached the level of Wehrmacht in 1941

Yey. xD

in 1945, it was the most powerful army in the world

Nope. Only regarding conventional ground forces. Most powerful army was the US army, due to the little boy and carrier fleet.

Besides that having a generation of qualified officers and beeing able to build good defenses adds to the quality of an army, you kinda miss my point.

Of course the Red army was way more powerful then the Wehrmacht in 44/45. Even regarding the amount of experienced soldiers. We both know the reasons. But the complete structure of the Wehrmacht was a result of a continous improvement from 1918 onwards. Regarding tactics, weaponry, maneuverability, social structure, reward system, punishment system, corps spirit, independece of low rank officers, relation to german public etc. The Wehrmacht was unique in that. The red army started to adapt to modern warfare from 1942 onwards, and due to its massive ressources and foreign help, it build up an impressive force in about 2 years. BUT it never nearly reached the military power of the german Wehrmacht at its highpoint, regarding QUALITY. Overall fighting power due to its masses, yes, but not quality. There are a few studies backing this statement. I recommended one for several times (written by an israelii). Read it.

But without the inclusion of retreat, soviet infanry look pretty balanced for me

Well, I consider the lack of retreat to be more a flaw then a feature. It will be fixed anyways afaik.

I know its not the best way to discuss balancing over AI battles, but you can see a tendency. And playing the russians I own the EXPERT com with infantry only, on maps i've never seen before. By own I mean rape his army like it is 1945 and I'm fighting children and old men. I just blob my infantry around my command squad and hunt down his units, if pinned by MG I use the run ability, and when Strelky hit the ground, its gg. I dont even have to use a doctrine. Tanks are a nice bonus but paks or PRTD's are enough to win the game. Fighting a HARD soviet AI though, is a tough challenge for me (and I cant remember loosing vs HARD AI on vanilla for a looooong time). Just too much strong infantry.

Conclusion: Soviet Infantry is overpowered.

PS: I'd love to play with/vs humans, but there just doesn't seem to be many online in EF....

[Red_Stinger]

HansBlix, I cant discuss with you on quality and flaw in Red Army and Wehrmacht  its a balance section, and I've show you my opinion about this anyway  If you are so inclined to discuss about this, you should create a topic about this in the history section, I'm sure that a lot of guy here would discuss with you with as pleasure as me, and with better understanding of history, as I'm not an historian 

And before saying that soviet infantry is overpowered, I want to have the opinion of more players. Guy, seriously, what do you think about this? And dev?

[Blackbishop]

Soviets Overpowered(OP)!?

Perhaps before 1.1. OP means to me that playing with that faction means instant/absolute victory. I didn't think that soviets on 1.11 match that case. If you play against PE, well probably will be GG for PE(T-90 rapes everything that PE has) but as many players have stated(GodlikeDennis, Budwise as I remember), that is relic fault.

For me Soviets aren't OP, are pretty close to the best balance since 1.0. A couple of tweaks here and there and voilà. Since vet and retreat will be coming in the next patch, we'll see how balance will affect them .

P.S. I'm usually a PE player

[Red_Stinger]

Thats I was thinking, soviets are balanced, at least over a Wehr player. I'm certain that T-90 will be fixed in the next patch. A good way to get some strat: I've got very efficient tactics in the strategie section of forum. As long as soviet cant retreat, they have big problem, making them balanced despite their stats: if soviet infantry is suppressed (for example) by an MG42, you can simply bring a vehicle to drive into the infantry. They get killed instantly when I used it. 
And thats not the main flaw 

[Seeme]

I have a sercet spam combo that I use and sercet way to stop it if someone finds out about it.

AM keeping quiet about it because I dont want the devs to fix it

If you want to find out what it is, play me

[Blackbishop]

I have a sercet spam combo that I use and sercet way to stop it if someone finds out about it.

AM keeping quiet about it because I dont want the devs to fix it

If you want to find out what it is, play me

!!! I'd like to see by myself !!!!

[Red_Stinger]

I have a sercet spam combo that I use and sercet way to stop it if someone finds out about it.

AM keeping quiet about it because I dont want the devs to fix it


If you want to find out what it is, play me

!!! I'd like to see by myself !!!!

+10000 send me a PM, for the sake of god!!!!!!!!! 

[Seeme]

Its really simple, no cheating or crazy things you have to do.

[HansBlix]

Ok. "Overpowered" is maybe the wrong term. More like unequable strong regarding the Wehrmacht.

But as said before, it's not right to judge from AI battles.

And since there doesnt seem to be anybody online... ever... Can you guys pls post more replays of high lvl games?

[GodlikeDennis]

I would play you anytime you want but my main comp just died today. Bye bye money when I have to replace the motherboard...

I can post one of the games where I'm wehrmacht against one of my Soviet friends who is also quite good if you want. When I get my comp back up running of course.