ostheer medium tanks

[Versedhorison]

okay so in regards to medium tanks for the ostheer I think we can narrow it down for the ostheer to at least two I see that would fit in CoH and that would have to be the panzer IV or some varient of it or the panther. Now I know some people want the panzer III in the ostheer too so do I however I don't see it as a comparable tank to that of the T-34 or the sherman or cromwell in a game like CoH. If the panzer III gets in the ostheer it will probably be an earier tank than the main late game tanks. So what would people preffer to see in terms of the factory based tanks?

[PetikeHUN1984]

The panther is heavy tank, not medium.

[Versedhorison]

I know but in terms of company of heroes I'm kinda reffering to each factions mainstay tank.

[Venoxxis]

The Panzer III is equal to the Sharman in earlier version and superior in the later ones. Also the late Panzer III is a hard fight for the T-34. Its armour is thicker (but not sloped) and the gun has at least the same penetration.

Ingame it would be a tank which has a little less armour than the Pzkw IV but better penetration against tanks with its 50mm canon (long one)!

The Panzer IV shouldnt be in the Ostheer, because we do want it to be original. And the Pz IV is simply overused.




The Panther is offically a medium tank, thats correct. But in terms of CoH it is a heavy one. It also has "heavy Crush" as the only regual buildable tank without an upgrade.
Its performance against other tanks is quite outstanding and the only tank which can beat it in a one on one is the pershing or (panther without vet) the IS-2.

[Paciat]

I dont want tanks that are in the game allready.

[Versedhorison]

Now I personally have a problem seeing a panzer III being an equal to the Sherman. The Sherman had better armour , was faster and the panzer III had an all round inferior gun (yes even to the 75mm Sherman gun) which couldn't penetrate the T34 front armour in most instances. As I said before I can see it in the ostheer as an early tank but not a main tank to be compared with the other allied tanks.

Also yes I'd like to see more different tanks however the germans only built 9 types of tanks and I only see five fitting in CoH and four are already used so we'll probably have to reuse some.

[Venoxxis]

Also yes I'd like to see more different tanks however the germans only built 9 types of tanks and I only see five fitting in CoH

You gotta be joking. There is one hell of varity.

I dont want tanks that are in the game already.

And thats what everybody who wants a great ostheer has to want.




Also the sherman was called "Pappe-Panzer" by my grandfather once we were talking about it. It means something like "carton-tank" because almost everything the shot at them penetrated thier armour and made thier muniton explode.
The Sherman as we got it in CoH is super over powered for the reason of balance, and thats quite ok.


Having a early/mid game support tank with the panzer III is a good idea, since its armour was equal/better (version dependent) than the one of the M4.



At the moment the only tank the community consider to be in the OstH. as well  - is the Panther.
Also there are tons of variations of the Pz. 4 - for example 6 different "jagdpanzer IV" which would fit quite good. But the usual one - being in use twice already - is no option.

[neosdark]

Personally I would love to see the Ostheer have both a Panzer 3 and Panzer 4 but i would love to see variants to make the Panzer 3 a MBT while the Panzer 4 becomes more like a support to the Panzer 3.

My idea (I used it in my Ost concept) was to have numerous possible upgrades for the Panzer 3 and Panzer 4, but while the Panzer 3 recieved Weapons or Armor upgrades, or total conversion into a new tank (Getting the 50mm long gun, side-skirts or conversion to the StuG 3 or a variant of it)

The Panzer 4 become more of a support tank with a Command Tank upgrade (Panzerbefehlswagen IV) , a Brummbär conversion for infantry support, or a conversion into a Flakpanzer IV Möbelwagen to shoot down allied planes and pesky Paras.

[Versedhorison]

Also yes I'd like to see more different tanks however the germans only built 9 types of tanks and I only see five fitting in CoH

You gotta be joking. There is one hell of varity.

Having a early/mid game support tank with the panzer III is a good idea, since its armour was equal/better (version dependent) than the one of the M4.

No I'm not joking the only tanks were the panzer I - VI plus the panzer 35, panzer 38 and the tiger II. There were many self propelled guns/tank destroyers but I'm purely talking about tanks.

Also the most up armoured version of the panzer III had 70mm of armour Max, whereas the sherman had 63mm of armour Max that was sloped too, making it better than the panzer III.

[Paciat]

Also yes I'd like to see more different tanks however the germans only built 9 types of tanks and I only see five fitting in CoH

You gotta be joking. There is one hell of varity.

Having a early/mid game support tank with the panzer III is a good idea, since its armour was equal/better (version dependent) than the one of the M4.

No I'm not joking the only tanks were the panzer I - VI plus the panzer 35, panzer 38 and the tiger II. There were many self propelled guns/tank destroyers but I'm purely talking about tanks.

Also the most up armoured version of the panzer III had 70mm of armour Max, whereas the sherman had 63mm of armour Max that was sloped too, making it better than the panzer III.

Tank destroyers are sometimes called tanks too.

Alongside the PzII (or a quad halftrack), PzIII and buildable Tiger I (one on the field?) there can also be:
StugIII with long gun upgrade
JagdpanzerIV with a Panthers gun and similar armor
Elephant.

This many medium/heavy vechicles (+ Wespe SP gun) are enough to create a fraction.
Theres no need to create a 3rd PzIV/Panther.

[GamblerSK]

Panzer III and Nashorn i think a great combination...

[Paciat]

Panzer III and Nashorn i think a great combination...

I dont like the Nashorn concept (long range tank killer) becouse Marders and Gwagons allready do massive dmg (150 and 250) at long ranges (60).
There shouldnt be a vechicle that 2 shot kills a firefly or takes out a 17lbs emplacement without being in range of this gun.

[GamblerSK]

but against infantry is less usable also it can cost a bit more just to prevent spaming

[TheReaper]

I think in the Eastern Front there was an order, that the Panzer III tank had to support the Tiger tanks. I don't remember exactly where I read it, but I think it can be implement to the Ostheer. Maybe Lord Rommel knows it, but I recall that this doctrine existed. And that was a lots of variants of the panzer tanks during the war:
Panzer I
Panzer I SiG 33
PanzerJager I
Panzer II
Sturmpanzer II (omly 14 existed)
Panzer 2 ausf. L was better equipped than the A variant
Panzer III (with extra armour, lots of gun upgrade)
Panzer IV and V (already discussed)
And the self-propelled tank hunters and assault guns.

For AA tanks ther are still the Möbelwagen or the Versuchsflakwagen Pz.Sfl.IV (grille 10)
Or VK1602??? but I think that was just a prototype.

Post Merge: June 16, 2010, 03:16:46 PMDamn, but some of these aren't fought in the eastern Front. I'm only gathered these for examples. It's 11 pm in here and I'm a bit slow.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

The Panzer III Ausf. N was part of the first deployment of the "schwere Heeres-Panzerabteilung" - the Tiger-groups.

In 1942 a Tiger-Abteilung had 20 Tiger I and 16 Panzer III.
2 Tiger I and 2 Pz III formed a "Zug".
4 "Züge" formed 2 companies.
4 Tigers were reserved for the commanding staff [ Stabswagen ].

Mid 1943 Tiger-Abteilungen send their Panzer III back at home because from now Henschel could build enough Tigers to supply Tiger-Abteilungen with the full strength of 45 Tiger tanks.

So all in all for a period of time Panzer III was a medium support tank for the Tigers. Panzer III should profect Tiger I against Infantry and other soft targets.
The Panzer III Ausf. N got "hollow charge grenades" to be able to destroy heavy russian tanks.