[1.11]Upgraded Mortar

[Budwise]

2 Shots bunkers.  Get 2 of them and its a constant 105 barrage.  Yes its 800MP but its on map arty that you can have within 8 minutes of the game.

Proposal: Reduce the cost, give them an incendiary round option for 15 munis instead of the artillery shell upgrade.  Maybe upgrade their cool down or range instead with the upgrade.

[WhiteFlash]

agreed

[mooooooo]

no i disagree. the Russians who are heavily inf oriented are vary vulnerable to mgs and mg bunkers so it is supposed to be there as a counter until tanks come online. otherwise a pair of mg bunker could wipe out half of the Russian army. and since they are vary expensive easily killed off and non recrewable if any thing your not getting your moneys worth

[Budwise]

Mortars are one thing, onmap nonstop artillery fire 7 minutes into the game and 2 shotting a bunker is another.  They should definitely have a mortar but an artillery piece it should not be.

[Zerstörer]

We can reduce the damage it does to bunkers and buildings to compensate and increase the cooldown between barrages a bit more
Incendiary round is too...PE so would rather avoid it

[PoldekPL]

Seems like since 1.10 came out Soviet mortars are arty-like AFTER up-ing them in Armoury... when they fire SO-DAMN-HEAVY-EXPLOSIVE rounds I'm not suprised they take out bunker with two hits, but before upgrading them, when they use classing mortar grenades, they should act vs bunkers like normal mortar.
We cannot forget that mortars are one of not so many ways that Soviets deal with MG's (and bunkers) - they can rush (Major needed), flank (free space needed), use armour (teching-up needed) or use mortars - if they use HE rounds let it be as it is - 2-hit-down, but with normal grenades they should act like normal mortar.

[mooooooo]

Seems like since 1.10 came out Soviet mortars are arty-like AFTER up-ing them in Armoury... when they fire SO-DAMN-HEAVY-EXPLOSIVE rounds I'm not suprised they take out bunker with two hits, but before upgrading them, when they use classing mortar grenades, they should act vs bunkers like normal mortar.
We cannot forget that mortars are one of not so many ways that Soviets deal with MG's (and bunkers) - they can rush (Major needed), flank (free space needed), use armour (teching-up needed) or use mortars - if they use HE rounds let it be as it is - 2-hit-down, but with normal grenades they should act like normal mortar.

i second that

[PSIHOPAT]

Edit:Flaming post removed-We've talked about this over a dosen times! If you can't post in a decent constructive manner, don't post at all

[Cranialwizard]

The 120 mortar is a highly used strong point for the Soviets for mid-game.

Replacing it will just make another boring faction, because EVERY faction has THE SAME mortar type damage. (All VERY Close, I should say)

None of them are as powerful as the Soviets.

However, the Soviets lack good infantry in start-game

It's kinda what makes them unique, their support center.

You'll find if you spam Tank Hunters and use Red Tide, MOST German tanks CAN'T stop them.

I was in a 4 v 4 in Berlin, with 1 teamate who quit early. (So 3 CPUS) VS 2 of my friend on teamspeak, with 2 CPUS.

One of my friends went PE, and he was SPAMMING panthers like no end, and had a JagdPanther.

Tanks of mine couldn't even get CLOSE to him. Even IS-2s were obliterated.

So the thought popped in my head as his tanks approached me, close, close, close.

"TANK HUNTERS FTW?"

So, with the upgrade, I had about 8 squads of PRTD Tank Hunters.

Surprisingly, they took out a Half-Health Jagdpanther, THREE Panthers, a Hetzer, and a Bergetiger before dying.

My friend nearly pissed himself when he saw that my squads were not only all back in good shape after he killed them with his last 2 panthers, but I had also sent in 2 more PRTD and 2 Red Banner Strelky to counter Panzer Grenadiers.

They obliterated the panthers and the RBS PPSH-41 tore the Panzer Grenadiers to shreds.

It's all about combination of good units IMO. The Mortar just adds a good mid game, not so useful late game.

[Renas]

What a stupid topic.

Every faction have weak and strong points.
Germans are OP if they have stug,tiger,nebewerfer,stuka,and many other sh*ts..?..

Seriously guys....GROW UP...AND STOP WITH BULLSH*TS...

Make some constructive criticism and stop whimper for all the crap

Here we have a person with a good understanding of COH coming to this forum and calmly talking about balance issues. So you decide to flame him for no apparent reason?

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I have mixed views on the mortar. On the one hand they're effective albiet costly.

However they are insanely powerful.  I would also like to note the soviets early game is overpowered while their late-game power is limited in comparison to Wehrmacht.

Oh and the Berlin map deployment zones need fixed, if you play as Panzer Elite they never have enough space to deploy all their buildings.-_______________-.

[vietlord]

the Mortar is just a bit too powerfull vs bunker ... and german MUST stay moving (including cloak AT gun)

[Grunt]

We can reduce the damage it does to bunkers and buildings to compensate

+1

and increase the cooldown between barrages a bit more

-1

Leave us arti freaks something to play with. 120 mm mortar ? Makes my day complete. Let it be inaccurate and wide spread. Its just the way we like it. Its a 'feel the power' sensation better then sex (almost). Let it be,its the only reason us Russian players recruit a mortar unit.

[rtil]

The 120 mortar is a highly used strong point for the Soviets for mid-game.

Replacing it will just make another boring faction, because EVERY faction has THE SAME mortar type damage. (All VERY Close, I should say)

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It's all about combination of good units IMO. The Mortar just adds a good mid game, not so useful late game.

I agree. I think the mortar crew is fine the way it is. Their mid-game damage reflects their cost.

[Paciat]

That mortar upgrade is a counter to Bunkers (zombie grens).
You need to get that upgrade sacrifacing another upgrade (no red banner strelky or tunk hunters upgrade or T-34s 85mm gun) and then get a mortar.

The only thing that needs to be changed in the Soviet fraction are the ammo costs of upgrades in the armory (+50% of 1.11 prices, 75% of 1.04 prices).
PPSH strelky, Tank hunter blobs and upgraded mortars wont be an early game problem then.