Poll: Soviet Sherman?

[wordsmith]

I would like to know how EF players see new Soviet Lend-Lease Sherman unit. Please do not consider the current stats of the Sherman which for sure will be changed (like HP, cost, damage etc). Just think about role of the Sherman and how it fit into Soviet Army as medium tank similar to T34.

[Zerstörer]

I can point out what we want it to act as and what the correct stats will reflect.
Its an early AT unit with a long range gun. Poor vs infantry compared to a T34 and fragile, but a bit better vs tanks. The main feature of the design is the increased sight and gun range. Those will increase with vet once introduced.
It is also an 'awww shit button' when you're caught off guard by early axis vehicle strats...or things don't turn out the way you expected and you find yourself needing good, fast to build AT.

[PSIHOPAT]

Where should be Soviet Sherman placed?

My vote is  "It should not be part of the Soviet Army."

[Psycho1225]

I like it in the breakthrough tactics

[Paciat]

AT unit?
Sherman is a do it all unit just like T-34.

Id rather see tank riders at 4CPs.

Anyway Soviets dont need an 'awww shit button'. No mather if you get - Mortar+Tank Hunters or Sharpshooter+AT gun (cheap upgrades) youll have an AT unit.
No mather if you get ligkt tank support or heavy tank support youll have SU or T-34.

[wordsmith]

I can point out what we want it to act as and what the correct stats will reflect.
Its an early AT unit with a long range gun. Poor vs infantry compared to a T34 and fragile, but a bit better vs tanks. The main feature of the design is the increased sight and gun range. Those will increase with vet once introduced.
It is also an 'awww shit button' when you're caught off guard by early axis vehicle strats...or things don't turn out the way you expected and you find yourself needing good, fast to build AT.

I understand this point but the thing is that there is different opinions about Sherman here on forum so this poll should sumarize those. Now in Breakthrough doctrine there are 2 similar armor vehicles. And moreover when you compare Breakthrough to other CoH doctrines there is always some other ability which is usefull with so-called "oh shit" armors: Marder could have APCR rounds, Churchill could Hull down, Stuh42 has Blitzkrieg assault. My point is that there are some complementary abilities to call-in units - which I miss in Breakthrough now (before it was wreck salvage). Instead there is another medium armor which IMO is redundand. As I wrote before, some ability would be more suitable f.e.:

- Armored charge (2CP) - player active, cooldown, all vehicles receives +3 speed for 30sec. but also 1.2 received accuracy and 1.1 received damage
- Steamroller (3CP) - player active, cooldown, all medium/heavy tanks receive 0.5 damage for period of 30sec. but also receive half speed
- Close combat experts (3CP) - player active, cooldown, all tanks have 1.5 damage bonus when firing at close range for short period 20sec., but also deals 0.9 damage at medium range and 0.5 damage at long range
- Armor fighting spirit (3CP)... from my concept - unit passive ability, all tanks now act as veteran sergeant of PE, giving all nearby surrounding infantry units 0.75 received suppression and 1.25 received experience

EDIT: One solution could be also to replace Tank riders with some ability and put Tank Riders into Tank Hall as non-doctrinal unit. Tank riders would be buildable and cost more than T34 but less then T34+Guards together. And T34 upgrade will upgrade both of those. Prerequisite to Tank riders could be need to build all 3 buildings + Heavy tankovy upgrade.

EDIT 2: As long range cheap "oh-shit" AT gun I find Su-76 to be more appropriate and it wouldn't collide with T34 Tank riders. I voted for Sherman as Reward unit - it is nice model and more units the better but it should be in different position than it is now.

[thebomb]

TBH I'd rather an ability that let Strelky/Guards mount tanks, called say "Tankovoy Desant", than have a Sherman in at all. If the unit absolutely must be in the game then let it be a reward unit replacing one of the Soviet light tanks - if that's not possible due to balance reasons then just get rid of it. CoH has too small a unit selection per faction already and introducing an American Lend-lease vehicle over other potential Soviet vehicles/abilities doesn't jive well with the faction.

[Soviet_Justice]

I agree with the poster. Now when the L-L Sherman is so easy available I bet we'll see much less T-34's and Tank Riders (the most awesome unit in the game) on the battlefield and probably all players who choose breakthrough doctrine will have the Sherman as their first armor on the field. That's just NOT how Eastern front was or should be played!

Just because of the nice model I say keep it, but only as a reward unit.

[omya]

It should not be part of the Soviet Army.

[jdogg]

i voted other because i think the sherman would be of greater value in propaganda doctrine instead of breakthrough

[Blackbishop]

I also thought that perhaps the sherman can replace the doctrinal mg and instead engineers be able to build them as soon as they choose propaganda doctrine.

[Panzer4life]

i don't mind there being a lend-lease vehicle, however, i which it wasn't a Sherman tank. The Sherman made its appearance in the US and British arsenal, so how about some other commonly lend-lease vehicle, i do believe the British sent in a vehicle that was as good as the Sherman, and it was where 60% of that vehicle went, into the Soviet union.
  Another idea is to replace the Sherman with a KV-1 tank, it was a good tank and it could be like the T-34/85, just with more armor, slower, and a little bit more manpower.

[Akalonor]

I, like others found favor in the " It should not be a part of the Soviet Army" Option as it is the option I have the most belief in.

[Artillerist]

EDIT 2: As long range cheap "oh-shit" AT gun I find Su-76 to be more appropriate and it wouldn't collide with T34 Tank riders.

Exellent idea.

[Raider217]

Personally id rather see the SU-76 or KV-1 in the soviet arsenal as well and the Sherman not be in the soviets if I want a Sherman I play US easy as that

Edit: If Su-76 and KV-1 were put in one would be a reward unit so you had the choice of early AT or early Anti-Inf, but thats just me