Finland and winter war

[PSIHOPAT]

when the Ostheer will get foreigne troops they should get "sbstract names" like nordic volunteers or balkan legionars or thinks like this.

For me this is a little bit....(i don't want to insult you)...

Reason =>every country had their uniform and weapons.
There are so many units,and every one is unique in balkans like in any other part of the world.

So...what will happen there?
We will have x number of different units with the same name?

Anyway...every man will recognize soldiers from their country looking at their uniform or weapons.For tanks or armored vehicle is even more easy...

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Well. With the uniforms; a lot of "axis" get german supplies and with this supplies german uniforms. Think the biggest
"exception" of this point are the Romanians.
Well. All in all the team will find a way to deal with this problem. Perhaps we will see no volunteers or just some "special volunteers" or a army out of volunteers

Ostheer is marching forward 

[PSIHOPAT]

Yea...

But don't forget that => the start of the HELL march(against USSR) was side by side with the romanians and no one else.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Well...why should i interested into the Hellmarch of CnC?
CoH is not CnC and EF team is not stupid.
( or in other word; we will find a way to deal with the most points and problems of the topic eastern front! )

But all in all i wont start a flamewar of foreigne troops at the Ostheer again.
The topic of this thread is the finish army and i had present u my point of view.

[comrade2012]

If the Finns get any unit, it should just be a sniper or something.

[Cranialwizard]

I agree although CoH is based in 44 however.

Not necessarily. Just because most of the equipment is based on armed forces in 1944, that DOES NOT mean that automatically every single game played in COH represents 1944 battles.

While much of the war is based off of 1944, there is equipment from 1945 AND 43', AND there are maps, especially in EF, that date back to 41'. Making generalized statements about dates within the game will most likely be incorrect because the game wasn't CENTERED around a specific time line. The Campaigns were, however. They were centered around a true time line.

But battles outside of campaigns are NOT dated.

[CreeperFIN]

But Lord Rommel can you do otsheer side some commander tree where you can invite finnish hungrian and some other countrys soldiers to fight axis side. PLEASE
Post Merge: May 25, 2010, 12:54:53 PMAdd finnish ski maxim troops and some anti infranty squad with "Suomi konepiistooli" = finland submachine gun. Or finnish sniper please lord rommel i pray it =D.

[Cranialwizard]

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Begging at one mod may gain favoritism but it won't affect the Ostheer. You just need to wait for it to come out. If I had it the way you want it right now there would be large proportions of foreign units, but that's NOT how it'll turn out, I presume?

[Psycho1225]

I think they at least deserve a place somewhere in the game but not a whole faction

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

But Lord Rommel can you do otsheer side some commander tree where you can invite finnish hungrian and some other countrys soldiers to fight axis side. PLEASE
Post Merge: May 25, 2010, 12:54:53 PMAdd finnish ski maxim troops and some anti infranty squad with "Suomi konepiistooli" = finland submachine gun. Or finnish sniper please lord rommel i pray it =D.

Well. First i'm honored that u think that i'm the man for the Ostheer. That isnt right. Okay. I'm the "german historian" of the team but in this function i help the team to create an unique Ostheer. All in all i can say that the Ostheer concept is a product of the team and so you can be surprised what for an Ostheer we will create.

[antman311]

The only time Finland had lines joined with German ones was with the Siege of Leningrad. Other than that, they were a completely different front. :\

[ford_prefect]

The only time Finland had lines joined with German ones was with the Siege of Leningrad. Other than that, they were a completely different front. :\

lol true and to top onto that they never really fought hand in hand

[Versedhorison]

And more point; when we will add the fins then we would get a flame war here at the board because then everyone wants his nation in this mod and that is absolutly impossible.
I had often said that when the Ostheer will get foreigne troops they should get "sbstract names" like nordic volunteers or balkan legionars or thinks like this.

This is what I've been saying for a while now that so called 'foreign troops' shouldn't be included because a) it will start a flame war and b) there were very few 'foreign troops' in 1944 in comparison to the rest of the german forces it was only a small minority. If you want 'foreign troops' go make your own mod, stop whining about it here I'm sick of it.

I agree although CoH is based in 44 however.

Not necessarily. Just because most of the equipment is based on armed forces in 1944, that DOES NOT mean that automatically every single game played in COH represents 1944 battles.

While much of the war is based off of 1944, there is equipment from 1945 AND 43', AND there are maps, especially in EF, that date back to 41'. Making generalized statements about dates within the game will most likely be incorrect because the game wasn't CENTERED around a specific time line. The Campaigns were, however. They were centered around a true time line.

But battles outside of campaigns are NOT dated.

yes while there is some equipment can be found from different years the entire armies/factions however are based of a 1944 army. for example there were no pershings or King tigers in 1943 or earlier. because these late war weapons are in CoH it makes CoH based in 1944. You can keep telling yourself that it can represent 1943 or earlier but its not. The design of each faction was based of what the american army/british army/german whermacht were comprised of and capable of in mid 1944. Although the soviet faction in EF does display some units and equipment obsolete by 1944 it does have units that only started appearing in 1944 so it also can be said to be based in 1944. In regards to some of the EF maps although they did happen before or after 1944 they are simply there for fun not for realism or historical reinactment. Also in additon to complement this type of design for the other factions the Ostheer (which should eventually come around) should be based from a 1944 force but I feel it should be something different from the whermacht and PE (of whom can also represent german forces on the Easter Front in 1944). So yes you can have some units/eqiupment in the Ostheer that was used earlier in the war that is justifyable and was present in 1944. for example a Panzer III which although was outdated and no longer in production by 1944 was still used for some specialized roles but there were few remaing. A panzer III could be justifyable in the Ostheer as maybe a early medium-light tank with good anti light vehicle capabilities to support the infantry in the ealry mid game stages to deal with enemy light armour (eg stuarts, M8's, T70's, T90's). On the other hand something like a paner II or a Panzer 38t would be hard to justify putting in the ostheer as it was not at all present in 1944 as it was completely obsolete and out of production well before 1944. Overall when designing a faction for CoH one has to keep in mind what the army would of been like in the time period you are trying to portray, in this case 1944.

[Akalonor]

I believe that COH is just a representation of WWII in general.We all know that you believe that Foreign units are a useless waste of time and that youo think that anything before 44 shouldn't be included but remember that the Pershing was only used a few times, this game isn't about whats true its about whats fun, I for one think that the representation of other countries war efforts is a much deserved solute to the participants of WWII.
We can argue all day and night, but it all comes down to what the developers see as fit.

[Versedhorison]

I said in my post that stuff made before 1944 can be included considering that it would be justifyable. for example the short barrelled Panzer IV which is in the PE was out of production by 1944 but it was still in some armoured units.