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Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« on: April 22, 2010, 11:30:54 AM »
So my first version of PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs. My guess is a lot on those will change after [1.05] but for now it should do. Especially Wehr strat is quite hard to write, that is why I need a comunity feedback. Please criticise!

PS: I've put source files (.pptx) into my concept, in discussion page 3 so feel free to make your own Strat.

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 12:01:10 PM »
I like this! Very helpful and informational for those who don't have a strategy set in stone.
I know you left T4 out because of the 500 Pt match. Good thinking.

Overall I really am impressed. A suggestion would be an Ostwind to counter infantry and raid the enemy base, Panzer to counter SU-85, IS-2
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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 12:11:39 PM »
Good thing you made a topic of youre own. These tech graphs are worth it.

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 06:39:11 PM »
Excellent job and very good idea to show a fuel run line!

Thanks a lot for sharing this.

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 08:36:23 PM »
Thanx for support!

I know you left T4 out because of the 500 Pt match. Good thinking.

Overall I really am impressed. A suggestion would be an Ostwind to counter infantry and raid the enemy base, Panzer to counter SU-85, IS-2

Yes I didn't mention Tier4 of Wehr on purpose. Like in 1vs1 500VP automatch type battles it is another 100Fuel for tech&building and other fuel for units. There is just not enough time in such games to develop these, especially vs Soviet :)

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 11:24:47 PM »
Very nice, great job!

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 05:43:46 AM »
Hey, why did you never mention the Is-2, Panthers, or the other heavy tanks? They are very critical to some players, and while I play against an easy computer, I end up needing some heavy firepower like the King Tiger for the Wher or the Panther battle group for the PE.
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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2010, 08:32:55 AM »
Hey, why did you never mention the Is-2, Panthers, or the other heavy tanks? They are very critical to some players, and while I play against an easy computer, I end up needing some heavy firepower like the King Tiger for the Wher or the Panther battle group for the PE.

My focus on these was on how to start the match and what to do or what to avoid. What you do later is that you improvise and use what you have resources for and what you need. Besides there was no room on those small canvases and I didn't want to make it much bigger.

You see I like to compare a game of CoH to game of Chess: it has "game opening", "middle game" and "end game". And as exactly in chess, also in CoH after game opening there are so many possibilities what could be done (because it depends also on what your opponent is doing) that it could not be fit into small chart.

And one note, I tried all these things on matches playing humans not PC. Maybe vs PC it could be slightly different, f.e. you never outrun the PC with fuel - so you can expect for sure that he's gonna have those T90 - T34 faster and you have to act according to this.

PS: I have posted also source files for these, you can download and change it to contain info about heavy tanks too. I would be only glad if someone put my work into good use. ;)

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 09:29:53 PM »
Wordsmith, I think you played with me, am I wrong?

Anyway if it was you then I have to say you did the thing the chart says almost perfect. Just to tell everyone, it works.
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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 10:18:38 PM »
Wordsmith, I think you played with me, am I wrong?

Anyway if it was you then I have to say you did the thing the chart says almost perfect. Just to tell everyone, it works.

Yes gg, first I didn't recognized you - cause name "Retake", but after you mentioned you break your leg in car accident I recalled you from forum :) how's your leg?

I have feeling that after new patch [1.05] I will have to redone the charts, but for now it should do. Especially PE - it work like charm, combination of Marders + PGs with MP44. I maybe should mention that Soviet PTRD teams are quite dangerous to PE and should be downed with priority though. Those AT boys when upgraded could destroy Marder really quick... Anyway thanks for post, get well soon!

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2010, 02:12:38 PM »
I guarantee you it will have to be re-worked. The changes have a huge impact...
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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 03:03:55 PM »
:) I look forward to it, beacuse:
1. it was fun to do, I like thinking about strategy
2. the situation it is now [1.04] surely needs change
3. I want to do also Soviet strat chart, maybe even some guide but now it will be useless job...

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Re: Wordsmith's PE&Wehr vs Soviet tech graphs [1.04]
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 10:42:59 PM »
Very good job. Especially with PE.
I want it to change to for the same reasons  :D