PE vs Russians

[Paciat]

Has anyone tried going pure-infantry at the Sovs? Last time I played (LONG time ago), that worked beautifully with some halftrack support. I don´t know if Marders and Panthers are really THAT necessary.

Marders are easy to flank by T-34 and even T-70. Never build a Marder if you cant afford a second one. They should be 20-40 COH units away from each other.

MP44 blob is usually my choice vs any army. I allways get logistic companie + 4 man squads first (fire nades if I see trenches). +33% of squads HP and +33% of firepower.

I like AT nades and Advanced Repair upgrades. Theres nothing worst than get hit by a mortar round while repairing. PGs need to repair quick.
Panthers arent really THAT necessary but when youre enemy spams Strelky and Tanks I try to get Panthers becouse its an only PE non doctrinal armored unit that can fight both.
I use mostly pick scorched earth tactics (very early shimm flame mines - 3 of them cost less than G43 upgrade). This helpes killing some infantry so I can get enough fuel to get MP44. I hate being outcapped in early game.

[GodlikeDennis]

I agree, marders are terrible. Both treadbreaker + AT nades and Shreks in IHT are better. Sometimes if you only have one marder you can block incoming vehicles with an AC but obviously that's quite risky. Scorched Earth is an effective delay tactic to let you survive to mid/late game. It is my most used PE doctrine, where I go booby trap side first until sector arty. Some may call this ability OP but PE need everything they can get right now. They have 0 blob control. Or light vehicle control for that matter. AT nades are not a deterrent at all.

4 man squads are a must. For added firepower, health and an extra man who makes the whole squad less likely to be wiped.

[Griptonix]

Don't know where else to post this but here goes, what is the purpose of the Funkwagon? I know siphoning off resources but how do you know if its working or not?

[Blackbishop]

Besides siphoning resources, combining it with tank awareness is a winner !! It has the longest detection value than any other unit when deployed. There's an article on relicnews written for an expert that says all it's benefits and how to use it correctly.

[Paciat]

Don't know where else to post this but here goes, what is the purpose of the Funkwagon? I know siphoning off resources but how do you know if its working or not?

Check youre resource income. 
Heres some info for the 2.502 patch. I think it is still up to date.
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?p=3474577

[javy52]

the problem with everyones strategy is that massed produced conscripts and later with the added rifles may and will overrun pe infantry especially when their with the more advanced infantry with their smgs and lmgs. Not to mention their very cheap and very easy to replace with doctrines that benefit them. The pe infantry while very reliable is expensive to make and replace. but The flak 36 will make short work of the russian infantry too....

[Paciat]

the problem with everyones strategy is that massed produced conscripts and later with the added rifles may and will overrun pe infantry especially when their with the more advanced infantry with their smgs and lmgs.

Nothing ingame is more advanced than MP44s and FG42s.
Once you beat a Soviet (1.11 Patch) blob theres no way they can recover becouse their infantry are all dead (no reteat) and youre infantry are veted (MP44 should be veted defensivly).
Reinforceing 3 PE men costs 135MP. Strelky squad costs 280MP.

Just dont run into a russian blob with 1 or 2 squads. PE infantry is the ultimate blob forming unit.

[GodlikeDennis]

Butterfly bombs are also extremely effective vs Russians. As mentioned, FG42s are utter death. Falls are my favourite unit . An important note is that the funky not only steals resources but lowers the enemy population max. This can be deadly if he has a maxed out army as, once you deploy the funky, he won't be able to reman his squads due to popcap. This works against all armies of course.

[Paciat]

An important not is that the funky not only steals resources but lowers the enemy population max. This can be deadly if he has a maxed out army as, once you deploy the funky, he won't be able to reman his squads due to popcap. This works against all armies of course.

Thats one good advice for players with good micro. Funky spots enemy infantry on a tactical map so you can see a PTRD team coming at it or a mortar deploying.

Lowering Pop cap is very usefull vs 7pop Strelky spam and Tier I is a must have to me becouse of the best global upgrade ingame - 4 man squads.

[javy52]

the problem with everyones strategy is that massed produced conscripts and later with the added rifles may and will overrun pe infantry especially when their with the more advanced infantry with their smgs and lmgs.

Nothing ingame is more advanced than MP44s and FG42s.
Once you beat a Soviet (1.11 Patch) blob theres no way they can recover becouse their infantry are all dead (no reteat) and youre infantry are veted (MP44 should be veted defensivly).
Reinforceing 3 PE men costs 135MP. Strelky squad costs 280MP.

Just dont run into a russian blob with 1 or 2 squads. PE infantry is the ultimate blob forming unit.

this is true. However the russian infanrtry is much cheaper than the pe infantry and i agree entirely that the g-41s and mp44s are an amazing beast by themselves. I think this whole thing relys on relys to much on rushing for the assault grenadiers and getting the g41 upgrade that cost 50 munitions a piece. Not to mention if the pe blob was hit my the amazing russian mortars then their would not be much left.

[GodlikeDennis]

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this is true. However the russian infanrtry is much cheaper than the pe infantry and i agree entirely that the g-41s and mp44s are an amazing beast by themselves. I think this whole thing relys on relys to much on rushing for the assault grenadiers and getting the g41 upgrade that cost 50 munitions a piece. Not to mention if the pe blob was hit my the amazing russian mortars then their would not be much left.

This is a silly statement. The mortar statement is a complete "what if?" and the same could be true for any AOE weapon. Saying that it relies on rushing for their advanced techs is also obvious because that is the way PE is designed to tech. PE can get any 2 of their buildings within 5 minutes. Going straight for your best AI weapons would probably be a sound plan if you were currently being beaten by infantry I would think...

MP44s aren't the only effective weapon against Russians anyway. You could instead go a heavy T2 with luftwaffe, using falls as your mainline infantry (which are cheaper to reinforce than PGs, have better guns and start with 4 men) and use various halftracks to supplement your force. If you reinforce on the field you don't need to give up any land to the Russians. Armoured cars are also excellent against the Russians, so long as you have good micro. A P4 rush can also work.

There are certainly other ways to fight the Russian blob as PE, MP44s are just among the most effective.

[Seeme]

How about we wait for 1.20 to mention this.

[AbhMkh]

why don't you try running the Bergetiger over the Russian infantry??


You see , in the 1.2 patch , the PE can lend lease a nuclear bomb from the Americans , the nuclear bomb will either be mounted on a pz 4 and can be driven straight into the russian base where the panzer-grenadiers can detonate it "For the fatherland !! you vodka drinking swine!!!!!"

or the bomb can be put into a henshel me 91 and driven straight into the russian base building in kamikaze style

Thts it , when there will be no base there wont be infantry or any t-34's or is2's

and hence the panzer elite wins...

[Paciat]

why don't you try running the Bergetiger over the Russian infantry??


You see , in the 1.2 patch , the PE can lend lease a nuclear bomb from the Americans , the nuclear bomb will either be mounted on a pz 4 and can be driven straight into the russian base where the panzer-grenadiers can detonate it "For the fatherland !! you vodka drinking swine!!!!!"

or the bomb can be put into a henshel me 91 and driven straight into the russian base building in kamikaze style

Thts it , when there will be no base there wont be infantry or any t-34's or is2's

and hence the panzer elite wins...

PE sucks.
They wont get nothing exept a JagdpanzerIV.

[GodlikeDennis]

PE replacement units should replace the near useless purchased assault and tank hunter squads.