PE vs Russians

[Budwise]

Right now the T90 will beat just about anything PE has.  Build 2 T90's and a SU85 and its gg.

[nbeerbower]

That's funny because I find it easy to take down the Soviets with the PE if the Soviet goes for armor rather than support. The support barracks is the PE player's worst enemy!

[GodlikeDennis]

Actually I would say PE is screwed either way. PE has always been bad against early light vehicles and the PRTDs rip through the lighter PE vehicles like crazy. AT guns 2 hit their light vehicles at insane ranges as well and snipers are good against smaller PE squads. None of the PE vehicles can stand up to an SU-85. Also, if PE is forced off the map by early conscript spam it's bye bye fuel, gg.

Scouts cars though, are effective against russians as is a heavy T2. Falls obliterate too if you can hold on long enough.

[nbeerbower]

Mortars and AT Guns are especially annoying when you play as Luftwaffe and you make Flaks. Otherwise, I think Luftwaffe with T1+T3 is great vs. the Soviets.

[GodlikeDennis]

Honestly, I think the AT gun has too much range but maybe that's just me. I actually think as luft I would go T2-T3 but this might be because I would go falls first rather than ground infantry so I would be slow at repairing scout cars. It also puts me on a better path for panthers in a long game and I wouldn't really bother with 4 man squads because I would have falls. I would use T3 for the armoured cars and marders, eventually turning them over for 88s and panthers. Shreks from T2 would protect the marders from circle-strafing. Early-mid game is where PE stuggles though. If you can get past that you should do fine.

[Budwise]

I can absolutely roll right over NosliwReborn with Russians against his PE.  Hes lvl 15 PE 1v1 and lvl 20 2v2AT with double PE.  This is on the pre-release of 1.2 though or I would happily show you first hand. 

[allthatisman]

My experience maybe unique, I play against the russians as the PE with no human allies, this can make the AI of the game very difficult, I tend to play only hard or expert CPU enemies, the one thing I have found that makes you survive "the red tide", (the AI spams infantry -> support -> tanks) is to build to the kampfgruppe kompanie -> panzerjager kommand, this will tgive you a mobile force that can 'put out' russain fires around the map, since if you have normal resources you cannot got scortched earth to block the enemy advances, the formula I have found is 4 PG w/ sg44, two IHT than two moraders, once the moraders are in the field, change one of the sg44 troops in each IHT to TBG, giving your mobile force an ablity to deal with lighter armor while you wait for your moraders to catch up. once there I normally go tank destroyer, using the hetzer and Jagdpanter in force w/ teller mines covering the bridges if I don't have enough munitions later to blow up the bridges with the funkwagon. once that is made you have your hetzers be slowly replaced with panters as you can call them in. good luck!

[GodlikeDennis]

A nice suggestion but we are discussing true balance. You mention both a compstomp and bridge map in your post which unfortunately makes it a little useless. PE just aren't too good right now. IHTs are quite pathetic, usually just used as a reinforce platform or mobile tank hunter. Marders are even worse, being able to be circle-strafed and killed by just about anything with ease. Hetzers also suck. Shreks in IHTs are actually the best AT PE has until panthers or 88s in my opinion.

[Zerstörer]

We're hitting a few things with the nerf bat to even up the odds thanks to the Reborn guys 

[Paciat]

Right now the T90 will beat just about anything PE has.  Build 2 T90's and a SU85 and its gg.

You probably meant T70 - not T90. T70 is much cheaper than a Stuart. Its armor is also better vs Shrecks than Stuarts.

T70 needs a gun nerf vs PE.

[GodlikeDennis]

I dunno if that's what he meant. T-90s are also extremely good vs halftracks and armoured cars, as well as the infantry obviously.

[Vartuoosi]

Right now the T90 will beat just about anything PE has.  Build 2 T90's and a SU85 and its gg.

You probably meant T70 - not T90. T70 is much cheaper than a Stuart. Its armor is also better vs Shrecks than Stuarts.

T70 needs a gun nerf vs PE.

I'm pretty sure he means T-90. I watched those broadcasts where he just raped everything the PE was able to put on the field with T-90's.

[Budwise]

yea, i meant T90.  AC's and HT's melt against them.  Like previously said, it has been noted and fixed since that broadcast.

At the moment im not sure I would ever build a T70 against PE.

[2LTAndeh]

Obviously it depends on the map what doctrine I'll use and what kind of tactics I'm going to use but my strategy usually depends on denying the Russians fuel, capping munition points, and keeping my forces mobile. My goal is to keep the game to an infantry fight for the majority of the time where the PE's infantry and mobility can show in full. I'll often set up a reinforce/healing point with some kind of turret, infantry reserve or Marder IIIs to provide some kind of defense in depth.

Games are rarely the ideal however, so I will often tech up to Panthers in lieu of reinforcing my front line troops to deal with whatever armor or heavy defenses I'll likely run into. In the mean time relying on Marder IIIs and air-support to deal with their armor.

[Saavedra]

Has anyone tried going pure-infantry at the Sovs? Last time I played (LONG time ago), that worked beautifully with some halftrack support. I don´t know if Marders and Panthers are really THAT necessary.