Unit - Reward suggestions thread:

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

The RBT-5 hosted a pair of large artillery rocket launchers, one on each side of the turret. Several designs for extremely wide tracks, including, oddly, wooden 'snowshoes' were tried on BT tanks.

Seems quite hard to put in the game (animation, 3D model etc..).

pff piece of cake if I already think of the vehicles I animated .

[RGyaznoff]

In American CO voice:
"Composition C is in, we now have an enemy seeking anti-tank, anti-infantry, anti-air, anti artillery, anti-vehicle, anti-KCH, anti-Structure", anti-Flamer, anti-EVERYTHING grenade made of a sock, a dab of axle grease and a bit of Comp C."

[neosdark]

Yes, thank you for stealing my rant from a month or two back, its right on the other page, no need to look too far

Back to the topic of  rewards, can I safely assume that since the SturmTiger and Kugelblitz are being included, we may also see a Sturer Emil for the Elefant/Ferdinand, don't recall which we will have. They fought exclusively near Stalingrad so that warrants something, no?

EDIT: Whoops wrong section, I'm a clutz XD

[Trooper425]

Sturmtiger and Kugelblitz are in?!? I must've missed that memo.

[neosdark]

Kugelblitz is 100% in as far as I know and the Sturmtiger is being debated as of now

[Blackbishop]

Sturer Emil can be the reward of the Elefant, although we need to make the model first . It certainly would be better than what we are currently thinking(King Tiger).

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

Sturmtiger and Kugelblitz are in?!? I must've missed that memo.

yeah kugelblitz is a t4 unit
sturmtiger is an reward in army elite

[Trooper425]

Having the Kugelblitz throws me for a loop. Only 5 units were ever produced, and it has been stated that the devs don't want to include 'prototype' units. Don't get me wrong, from a gameplay perspective I'm sure it is great. I just hate to see an experimental design placed in the mod. Why not use the Flakpanzer38(t) instetad? It's cool, and works almost the same way.

Also, straight off the "list of units that will never be used":
5) Sturmtiger- Never truly served on the Eastern Front. They fought during the Warsaw Uprising and on the Western Front not on the Eastern one though, so as Rommel would say WILL NOT BE INCLUDED.

[Blackbishop]

Flakpanzer Gepard doesn't work the same than the kugelblitz, that's not even remotely true.

Kugelblitz has superior weapons and superior armour. The only bad thing is than only five were built.

And tbh, Flakpanzer 38t is anything but cooler compared with the Kugelblitz and I'm not sure if it is cool even without the comparison .

[BurroDiablo]

Actually, if you look at the Official EF Unit Inclusion Chart (as made by me), it says 'Keep Dreaming'... it doesn't explicitly discard the idea of adding experimental units.

Besides, Kugelblitz did actually see action unlike a lot of other experimental units. It saw 100% more action in WW2 than the T-90 and IS-3 that's for sure. Plus the balancers like it and the model is awesome

As for the Sturmtiger... well, the Warsaw Uprising was on the Eastern Front. IIRC, the Soviets were attacking Warsaw at the same time as the uprising, just very slowly, for a few reasons but mainly because Stalin wanted the Polish to accept Soviet rule with little resistance after Poland was liberated. Whoever put that on the list obviously hadn't been studying their Official EF Unit Inclusion Chart correctly.

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

and keep in mind that the reason why the sturmtiger was developed was the eastern front because the wehrmacht requested an heavy strom mortar

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

All in all I HAVE TO say FOR me; i dont like Kugelblitz and Sturmtiger. But it seems to me that everyone else want those tanks (in Dev/Balancerteam).
And against Burro: Well. Kugelblitz had fought - but against the US Army. And this battle reports arent quiet detailed or fully extant reports. So.
There is no source i know that i reporting battle action against red army. It is like the both "Berlin Jagdtigers" or the "WW1 Mark V Berlin tank" or the "Kummersdorfer Maus"; There are rumours, no details.
And about the Sturmtiger: Well. Out of my view Warshaw uprising isnt part of the eastern front. The fact that Stalin didnt help the polish liberation army and
that Stalin tried to "wipe those polish freedom fighters out" by waiting for the reaction of the Wehrmacht is isolating this battle from the front.
All in all u can discuss about all this weapons and the historical background.

For me it is important that i say that i dont like them

[Orle]

The Kugelblitz would just be a beefed up panzer IV with better cannons than the wirbelwind, that could be done i guess.

The Strumtiger on the otherhand would be horrible to balance without making it either a piece of crap or overpowered.
I mean a tiger with a 380(!)mm rocket launcher. The biggest cannon ingame is currently the 152 of the ISU and that thing is pretty beast. So in contrast would the Sturmtiger shoot V1s or what?


Edit: oh right, forgot about the AVRE, thanks for pointing it out ApeMen^^

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

The Kugelblitz would just be a beefed up panzer IV with better cannons than the wirbelwind, that could be done i guess.

The Strumtiger on the otherhand would be horrible to balance without making it either a piece of crap or overpowered.
I mean a tiger with a 380(!)mm rocket launcher. The biggest cannon ingame is currently the 152 of the ISU and that thing is pretty beast. So in contrast would the Sturmtiger shoot V1s or what?

no the biggest is atm the Churchill AVRE 290-mm mortar

@Orle
no problem^^
but dont worry the sturm will be balanced and usefull and keep in mind its an reward unit
so your basic unit will be another one

[BurroDiablo]

Afaik most of the Kugelblitz's that were made are unaccounted for so nobody can say for sure where they fought or if they even fought at all (except that one at Spichra). So for the sake of having a great and unique unit in game, we will assume that they went to Berlin to aid the fight against the Red Army where they were lost and never recovered.

And the fact remains the Red Army was fighting in Warsaw at the same time as the Warsaw Uprising, and even if the main insurgency was isolated, the uprising was still a direct response to Soviet presence in the city. In my mind, this makes it part of the Eastern Front theatre.