Unit - Reward suggestions thread:

[Newbie.]

Marines look cool! It'd be good to call them in as Off-Map Units. Maybe arm them with ASV-36's? IF reward unit, Replace the guard, but don't make it.

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[250.Inf. Div.]

I found this inside the easter front mod why not added in the next patch?

[Akalonor]

What mod is that from ?

[BDNeon]

Is that the infamous black sea marines?

Where in heavens name did you pull that screenshot from?

[Werwolf]

- Actually, their uniform was black but never mind -

 Well, maybe we could look at the archetype and see what to do with it : in soviet propaganda, they're usually associated with defense to the death and man against tank. How about anti-tank Molotov Cocktails (destroying engine, maybe), and a passive ability similar to the Wehrmacht Terror Doctrine "Zeal" : the more losses in the squad, the more resilient the survivors become ?
 They could be armed with rifles, either Mosin-Nagan, or SVT-40, maybe the second being an upgrade, and have grenades.

 This would eventually make a rather versatile defensive unit, keen on self-sacrifice. How about that ?

EDIT : Just to support my words, a soviet propaganda poster featuring marines :

sounds good, but wouldn't such units be a tad OP? (dreading the thought of Naval Infantry spam which cannot be suppressed and armed with high-powered SVT-40s, Fire-Up!, grenades and Molotovs)...if that's the case, then they'll be like a stronger KCH-type unit for the Soviets 

[ColonelMolotov]

 I think the above screenshot is drawn from the World Builder, there is a skin there for Marines too, they are wearing field uniform, which is more realistic, but really less beautiful, alas. I prefer the black one.
 
 I wasn't talking about adding all these abilities to the standard Guard, but about a full replacement : no fire-up, no resistance to suppression... SVT-40 should definitely be an upgrade, with Mosin-Nagant being the basic equipment. Maybe once given the semi-automatic rifle, they could be able to shoot slowing-down volleys, like Panzergrenadiers with G-43 ? Just throwing up the idea, though.
 They wouldn't match the KCH, by lack of automatic weapons and offensive abilities, but would be tough defensive units, fitting well with the propaganda doctrine (luckily enough, since the deeds of Naval Infantry were really an important part of war propaganda).

[250.Inf. Div.]

the picture is from eastern front,i found this unit using corsix mod studio to add mr.scruff jagdtiger.

[neosdark]

If we get Black Sea Marines, i think they should be equipped with something that people don't know to much about, the Fedorov Avtomat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat

It would be their version of the StG and it would give them something that isn't a semi-auto Rifle (SVT-38/40) nor a over-powered faliure (AVS-36). It wouldn't be as powerful, nor as fast but it might be a nice idea. It might even be their Armory upgrade, where they start with PPD-40s and later get upgraded with these Avtomats. If we replace the Guards with them then they should be the Guards opposites and be close to mid-range combat Specialists.

[Paciat]

If we get Black Sea Marines, i think they should be equipped with something that people don't know to much about, the Fedorov Avtomat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat

It would be their version of the StG and it would give them something that isn't a semi-auto Rifle (SVT-38/40) nor a over-powered faliure (AVS-36). It wouldn't be as powerful, nor as fast but it might be a nice idea. It might even be their Armory upgrade, where they start with PPD-40s and later get upgraded with these Avtomats. If we replace the Guards with them then they should be the Guards opposites and be close to mid-range combat Specialists.

10 times more AVS-36 (33,000 - 34,500) were build than StG (3200). Also StG were produced in 1915 - 1924 while AVS-36 in 1936-45.
6 men with AVS-36 would have similar  firepower to 4 FG-42 - good at all ranges.

Black sea marines wouldnt have granades, they would have lower HP (80) and suppresion resistance than Gaurds.
Also I very much like a ColonelMolotov idea of them having a passive ability like zeal from terror doctrine. They would be unsuppressable when they would loose 4 out of 6 men.

[ColonelMolotov]

 Thanks. I read that production of these "exotic" weapons such as the AVS-36 or the Fedorov Avtomat was stopped by 1941... plus, I think I read somewhere on the old Eastern Front ModDB page, that creating a new weapon model is really a lot of hard work.
 How about going unusual and having a short-range defensive unit, particularly well-suited for warfare in dense battle environments ? Zeal - AT Molotov Cocktails - PPSh ?

[Seeme]

They should be powerful inf- but only limited to 3 the whole game.

[Paciat]

Thanks. I read that production of these "exotic" weapons such as the AVS-36 or the Fedorov Avtomat was stopped by 1941... plus, I think I read somewhere on the old Eastern Front ModDB page, that creating a new weapon model is really a lot of hard work.
 How about going unusual and having a short-range defensive unit, particularly well-suited for warfare in dense battle environments ? Zeal - AT Molotov Cocktails - PPSh ?

AVS-36 would be a SVT-40 with a bigger clip and some stats changed. All animations (difficult part) could be unchanged.
"short-range defensive unit, particularly well-suited for warfare in dense battle environments" - that sounds too much like partisants.

Sorry about misleading. AVS-36 was in service till 1945. Soviets stopped its production in 1938.

[ColonelMolotov]

Still not a fan of these rare weapons compared to good ol' Mosin-Nagan or PPSh, but that's not the main point anyway...
 Limiting them to 3 seems a little odd, given that they were quite common on the battlefield, and Guards are not limited in number. Also, without retreat, every pinned squad can be considered lost, and limiting them to 3 for the whole game seems a little harsh.
 Returning to the very core of the question : are we talking about an off-map reinforcement ? A buildable unit ? Short, or long-ranged ? Offensive, or defensive ?
  I personaly stand for an off-map unit, with assorted long-range weapons, and tough defensive soldiers.

[HyperSniper999]

How about they become a reward unit replacement for guards?

[ColonelMolotov]

You mean, with exactly the same abilities, but just a different skin ?