Unit - Reward suggestions thread:

[Zerstörer]

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=5758.0

[lopolopez]

I think it will be nice change the partisans for an assault group (Those groups were very important in the urban combat style, like in Stalingrad)
The groups would be armed with PPSH, grenades, anti tank grenades and a flamethrower. Also they can have the ability of throw a lot of grenades. I read about those groups in the book "Stalingrad" (Antony Beevor). Sorry if you don´t understand me well, my english is not too good.

[cephalos]

1. Veteran Guards - anti-tank nades, nades
2. Sturmovie Ininery - flamethrower ( even two  ), PPshs

1+2= OPness, I just can't imagine such powerful like Sturmovie with Guards abilities.

[IJoe]

1. Veteran Guards - anti-tank nades, nades
2. Sturmovie Ininery - flamethrower ( even two  ), PPshs

1+2= OPness, I just can't imagine such powerful like Sturmovie with Guards abilities.

These groups of about 30 men had:
1 light AT gun (45mm) or 1 tank (T-34/76),
1/2 flamethrowers,
lots of people with ppshs and 'nades.
They were set for urban fighting.

How could this be made in just one unit? More like a call-in group. But if that latter would be to even distantly represent it's RL prototype, it would be extremely expensive: one tank-rider unit (on a tank), one flamethrower unit (sturmovye ingenery). How much could that cost? 1000mp?

[GodlikeDennis]

Yeah... not gonna happen.

[suvicze]

I think that you should take some inspiration from World of Tanks which is considered as tank simulator at least in case of  data about armor thickness,traverse speed,rate of fire etc.
Sure there is some mistakes in tech tree. I doubt that something like pz4 with panther turret and 75mm long gun upgrade have ever existed because tracks could hardly hold such big turret and gun but it doesnt matter. To the topic.
1. make IS-3 tank to the game is good idea as a counterpart of King Tiger.. yeah it was faster and more mobile than KT and has better armor protection because of improved sloped armor.But if you make it little more expensive balance will be ok.
2. I am not sure but I think that isu which is in game has short 152mm gun but if someone says ISU-152 to me I imagine TD with long 152mm BL-10 gun which was capable to fire AP shells.If you will not add IS-3 in game why dont you just give isu-152 the truly "beast slayer gun" which it had in improved form? :-)

[IJoe]

Yeah... not gonna happen.

Why not? - for a 1000 mp, it could be.

[Blackbishop]

I think that you should take some inspiration from World of Tanks which is considered as tank simulator at least in case of  data about armor thickness,traverse speed,rate of fire etc.
Sure there is some mistakes in tech tree. I doubt that something like pz4 with panther turret and 75mm long gun upgrade have ever existed because tracks could hardly hold such big turret and gun but it doesnt matter. To the topic.
1. make IS-3 tank to the game is good idea as a counterpart of King Tiger.. yeah it was faster and more mobile than KT and has better armor protection because of improved sloped armor.But if you make it little more expensive balance will be ok.
2. I am not sure but I think that isu which is in game has short 152mm gun but if someone says ISU-152 to me I imagine TD with long 152mm BL-10 gun which was capable to fire AP shells.If you will not add IS-3 in game why dont you just give isu-152 the truly "beast slayer gun" which it had in improved form? :-)

• CoH is not a historic simulator, guns will never have thier correct realistic values. No matter if Blitzkrieg series or MoW have realistic values (great for their player base i think)... CoH is different. Deal with it.
• "If you will not add IS-3 in game" but we are going to add it
• ISU-152 won't have a stat change just to reflect his RL counterpart for the situation described in the first point.

[RedGuard]

While its true the real life IS3 was the superior tank, the KT still is the #1 supertank in the game - in a straight slugfest. we should avoid these abrasive discussions about realism vs balance - its gets us nowhere.

but what the EF IS-3 has to even the playing field vs KT is speed, circle strafe that clumsy tiger so dont panic my comrades!
You can bring down the king tiger with a little finesse. hell i've seen a tetrarch circle strafe KT to death  just look out for ninja paks! haha


If you ask me the IS-3 is the better choice over the ISU-152
isu152 used to be my favorite tank because it always penned and was really tough. it was easily circled though
well comrades, if you thought the isu152 could take a beating wait'll you get your hands on my baby the IS-3. its got the magic 3. speed, protection and firepower

[lopolopez]

These groups of about 30 men had:
1 light AT gun (45mm) or 1 tank (T-34/76),
1/2 flamethrowers,
lots of people with ppshs and 'nades.
They were set for urban fighting.

How could this be made in just one unit? More like a call-in group. But if that latter would be to even distantly represent it's RL prototype, it would be extremely expensive: one tank-rider unit (on a tank), one flamethrower unit (sturmovye ingenery). How much could that cost? 1000mp?

I had imagined these groups formed by 4-5 men with an only frame thrower. The group can cost 600.
I give the idea of create the assault group because is very easy to make it.

[Venoxxis]

While its true the real life IS3 was the superior tank, the KT still is the #1 supertank in the game - in a straight slugfest. we should avoid these abrasive discussions about realism vs balance - its gets us nowhere.

but what the EF IS-3 has to even the playing field vs KT is speed, circle strafe that clumsy tiger so dont panic my comrades!
You can bring down the king tiger with a little finesse. hell i've seen a tetrarch circle strafe KT to death  just look out for ninja paks! haha


If you ask me the IS-3 is the better choice over the ISU-152
isu152 used to be my favorite tank because it always penned and was really tough. it was easily circled though
well comrades, if you thought the isu152 could take a beating wait'll you get your hands on my baby the IS-3. its got the magic 3. speed, protection and firepower

Very nice summary RedGuard. Im really looking forward to it. Kinda sounds like a JS-ACE. I didnt really like the 152, even if it was insanly powerfull with its gun.
I guess as well that this is going to be one of my fav units in the game. Again i have to say that its just great to see this tank in the mod.

JS-ACE for catkiller!



Regards,
-V-

[IJoe]

just build 1 (doctrine upg) sturmovye ingenery and 1 (armory upg) tank hunters - you'll have 2 men with ppsh, 2 flamethrowers, 2 PTRDs, 2 7-dmg mosins, and AT nades. All that for about 580 mp and some lots of ammo (like 150 out of memory).

[IJoe]

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[USSRian]

I, for one, am a fan of the ISU 152.  Loved the raw power of this beast and thoroughly enjoyed the sight of it blowing the hell out of Stugs and Panthers.   Will be really sad to see it replaced by the IS3 although I would really like to try it out.  Kinda torn betw the 2 here.   Is it possible to include the IS3 without taking the ISU 152 out, and let players have a choice of deploying either vehicle?  The one-vehicle-at-a-time rule can still apply.  Hope the mod masters can consider this.   Cheers
Post Merge: May 25, 2011, 04:23:17 AMI, for one, am a fan of the ISU 152.  Loved the raw power of this beast and thoroughly enjoyed the sight of it blowing the hell out of Stugs and Panthers.   Will be really sad to see it replaced by the IS3 although I would really like to try it out.  Kinda torn betw the 2 here.   Is it possible to include the IS3 without taking the ISU 152 out, and let players have a choice of deploying either vehicle?  The one-vehicle-at-a-time rule can still apply.  Hope the mod masters can consider this.   Cheers

[BurroDiablo]

Think you've misunderstood... ISU-152 is still there, IS-3 is just a reward replacement for it that you need to enable before starting a game, like swapping a StuG for a GWagen.