[1.04] Terror Doctine forced retreat

[nomad52]

what if the terror doc's ability unbreakably pins the russians. This might be a wee bit OP but if it is only like a 8 second unbreakable pin and then it is breakable by CS it might work.

[Paciat]

i think pinning them red would be fine
Imagine the scenario: soviets run up to your MG-42(s)
the get pinned...officer fires them up...propaganda pins them again...and then the get all eaten by charging flamer pios or Volks while they are pinned.
And when you have faceraped the Soviet Blob that way, you take the whole map and then win the game

Nice idea. Theres allways the light arti barrage to "save" youre troops from mg suppresion.
But how would the unsurpassable gourds get pinned?

[hgghg4]

they can be suppressed, just like the KCH but it takes a LOT of bullets

[nomad52]

look in there description hg it says they are unsupressable.

[hgghg4]

so do KCH....

[Shadowmetroid]

Keep in mind here that "unsuppressable" pertains to normal circumstances. 

[nomad52]

so do KCH....

KCH description

Infantry who showed great bravery and tactical skill were awarded with the Knight's Cross. Experienced, tough, armed with assault rifles, Knight’s Cross Holders are capable of taking on many times their number in regular infantry, making them a very effective anti-infantry squad.

where does it say that they are unsupressable?

Guards description

Guards are the elite, feeling no remorse and no regret. Bearing the newest SVT-40 weaponry, they excel at long range combat, and are well equipped with anti-infantry and anti-tank grenades to get up close and personal. Guards have seen the horrors of war in all its forms and know no more fear. They are unsupressable.

any way this is off topic now sry.

[hgghg4]

the KCH by pretty much any means short of 4 MG42s captured or a Strafe are unsuppressable, while in their troop description they are not stated as unsuppressable they might as well be...


Generally that is the only thing airborne can do against a 4 squad group of vet 3 KCH when they blob... strafe and then attempt to kill before the suppression wears off or retreat is given

[nomad52]

yes but there is a difference KCH are hard to suppress guards are unsuppressable.

[hgghg4]

Could have sworn that I saw a suppressed Guard Squad :-/ maybe it was a Strelky that I mixed up.... idk MUST TEST!!! will do it tomorrow

[SauerKRAUT]

It even says in the tips they are unsuppresable period

[SavageWorld]

On topic
I don't think is such a big problem, that the Force retreat doesn't work. Yes it would be better if it did, but it is easy for WM to use the munition other ways. So in conclusion, don't delay the pacth to long if you can't find a solution. People including myself must just learn to live with it.

[Ghost]

On topic
I don't think is such a big problem, that the Force retreat doesn't work. Yes it would be better if it did, but it is easy for WM to use the munition other ways. So in conclusion, don't delay the pacth to long if you can't find a solution. People including myself must just learn to live with it.

that's not the point, it's about having a command point ability that doesn't work vs red army

[GodlikeDennis]

It even says in the tips they are unsuppresable period

Don't believe everything you read.

I have also seen guards be suppressed, although it takes alot to do it. I imagine the devs just gave them a massive suppression threshold and recovery to make them seem unsuppressable, but things like arty shells deal a whole lot of suppression at once rather than MG42s which provide a build up of suppression. This could cause the squad to be briefly suppressed after impact but would wear off quickly due to the fast recovery. KCH are similar to this, but obviously not quite as extreme as guards.

[comrade2012]

I thought that was the whole point.....that russians dont retreat. Thus, forced retreat doesnt work on the russians.