Ability suggestion thread:

[Pac-Fish]

Do you know how much damage a tommy squad can do to regular infantry? And besides this is OP for any faction, given the current conditions. Only .9 accuracy? Thats not a big difference. You get worse penalties while running. And all of your abilities seem to have this same quality. Its too good and doesnt offer a drawback.

[TheVolskinator]

They're currently in use in a non-vCoH environment. So I can see where you would draw that opinion. All of those abilities are earned with veterancy anywho. Tommies are NOT scary. EF uses the same Tommies as vCoH does, which in turn are the same units used in Europe in Ruins mod. I play that mod quite a lot and I've seen my fair share of Tommies. Without an officer, Tommies are crap. Pure and simple. I cede my argument, clearly noboy is interested in the abilities here.

On a side note however, how is using a panzerfaust-like pistol ability OP?

[Pac-Fish]

NO one said we weren't interested. I just said they were generally (or at least sounded) OP. I play EIRR too. Not quite often but I play it never the less. And the pistol thing give the weapon crew AI ability and cost nothing, so it can be spammed. Weapons crews arent supposed to be able to defend themselves. Thats why they are given pistols in the first place and u need to support them. If they could support themselves then whats the need to get anything else?

[TheVolskinator]

It's a pistol. Oooh, scary luger. Again, in the context where they are used, the abilities are difficult to spam (especially the pistol one). Try using the Plant-Feet ability constantly in vCoH at the beginning of a game. By the time you can really use it, you're facing the threat of the MG and sniper pin that roflstomps CW players.

The pistol ability is given to mainline infantry squads. Not weapons crews. And in it's current iteration, only to Riflemen and another rifleman-like ambush unit; both for the US faction.

[Pac-Fish]

If this pistol is so weak and pathetic why even give units that ability? And its every 30 sec. Thats pretty short for a free ability

[krupp steel]

Fire Bundle Grenade

Cost: 50 Munitions

It is just like PE's Fire Grenade, but the fire damage is 4X more deadly.  I'll consider which unit to add or what requirements are once OH is released or I have more info.

[Viperthug91]

Hafthohlladung

Give it to some unit that can camoflauge. 60 munitons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafthohlladung

[Viperthug91]

12.8 cm Pak 44         350 manpower 50 fuel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_Pak_44

M30 Luftwaffe drilling 50 munitons.   This game needs a Shotgun
M30 Luftwaffe drilling

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

Hafthohlladung

Give it to some unit that can camoflauge. 60 munitons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafthohlladung

Is already in.

12.8 cm Pak 44         350 manpower 50 fuel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_Pak_44

It was operated by a crew of 11 man. Animate it and it might get in.

M30 Luftwaffe drilling 50 munitons.  This game needs a Shotgun.
M30 Luftwaffe drilling

Probably a reason? You are not the first one to search Wikipedia for German Weapons in WW2. All three suggestion have no serious foundation and you didn't included an argument that might speak for including those units/weapons.

[Blackbishop]

@Viperthug91
PaK 44 for Ostheer? Nope. That gun wasn't used in the Eastern Front and I'm not sure if it was used in the Western Front either.

And what shotgun do you mean?

[Sommarkatze]

The m30 drilling shotgun. It was a shotgun that pilots were in some cases equipped with in a big case in their plane for survival use. Its basically a normal double barrel hunting shotgun but with a third ordinary rifle barrel.


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IMO this would be a awesome gun for the luftwaffe officer?

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

@Viperthug91
PaK 44 for Ostheer? Nope. That gun wasn't used in the Eastern Front and I'm not sure if it was used in the Western Front either.
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Well. The 12,8cm Pak was used by the german army during the last days of the war. A small number (10-12 guns of the version 80/1 und 80/2)
seen combat e.g. during the Ruhrkessel (Ruhr pocket) or the battle of the "Festung Harz". Soviets captured one 12,8cm gun on a testing ground.
But the 12,8cm Pak would be extreme heavy for CoH, or

About the M30; There arent so much information about this gun.
But i dont think that a "field officer" will used this gun in combat.
There were a lot of weapons that where better and available in greater numbers ^^

[Viperthug91]

Hafthohlladung

Give it to some unit that can camoflauge. 60 munitons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafthohlladung

Is already in.

12.8 cm Pak 44         350 manpower 50 fuel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_Pak_44

It was operated by a crew of 11 man. Animate it and it might get in.

M30 Luftwaffe drilling 50 munitons.  This game needs a Shotgun.
M30 Luftwaffe drilling

Probably a reason? You are not the first one to search Wikipedia for German Weapons in WW2. All three suggestion have no serious foundation and you didn't included an argument that might speak for including those units/weapons.

The pakk 44 was made to counter the heavy Russian armor with 122mm and 128mm cannons and was said to have seen use over 50 were made. ( some say 51 others say 55) so they were out there. It was towed with a opel Blitz and a 11 man crew!!! that would be a pain to snipe them off of that gun.

And The Luftwaffe drilling i suggested that because the Luftwaffe squads get smashed by literally everything!!!engineers, rifle man,  even at AT gun will pick off a couple. British destroy them very easily too.maybe they can beat non upgraded conscripts but that would be it. I'm not saying make them defensively stronger per say but they should at least be able to beat someone.

[Blackbishop]

LGF are weak, but that's the way Relic wanted them to be, otherwise they would have changed them a while ago so, we are not going to give them that shotgun.

Now, about the PaK 44, as it seems it was used in small numbers against Soviets, however, it doesn't change the point that it is too heavy and strong, a PaK 43 would be better IMO.

[krupp steel]

In my experience Luftwaffe Ground Forces are pretty decent in combat.  Their just like VolksGrenadiers, but 5 less health per man (making Health/man ratio 55 health, which is same as Rifleman and Engineers) and the same weapons as the VolksGrenadiers.  Get vet for them and they will be better .  They are better in combat than UN-UPGRADED Panzer Grenadiers too.  Have them pick up a BAR here and there and it is a combat squad.




the only thing though I don't like about them is how the Luftwaffe leader screams at you like a little girl when you only lost 1 man.  You don't see knights cross holders complaining at all