Ability suggestion thread:

[IJoe]

Speaking of which hasnt the changelog for it been open to the donators forum for like a week or two???

It has, but we are not to share any info on it, 'till it's announced by Devs.
Sorry.

[Raider217]

I realise that but thats not what I was asking.

[GodlikeDennis]

The specific GoW changes aren't in the donor forum but they ARE in the balance tester forum

[5hiftyl1v3z]

Idea for new ability.
Based on Germans using Turn coat Russian units (mostly used for rear guard activitys, but some did see combat)

Traitors
A area effect ability which will cause all (infanty?) units to fire (under AI control) on their own team for a time period. Alternativly they could be put under enemy control.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

New upgrade (global):
Ostketten
On eastern front German tanks where equipped with the wider "Ostketten" (east treads) to procede better on snowy or muddy terrain. All Ostheer tanks affected by this upgrade (best from Panzer Kampf Kommand) gain +10% speed offroad. As far as I know they where used by Panzer IV's, Pnazer III's and I also heard of Tigers with Ostketten.
What do you think about it?
BTW this is a StuG III with Ostketten:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/golem-0815/stug-III-ostkette.jpg

[Desert_Fox]

New upgrade (global):
Ostketten
On eastern front German tanks where equipped with the wider "Ostketten" (east treads) to procede better on snowy or muddy terrain. All Ostheer tanks affected by this upgrade (best from Panzer Kampf Kommand) gain +10% speed offroad. As far as I know they where used by Panzer IV's, Pnazer III's and I also heard of Tigers with Ostketten.
What do you think about it?
BTW this is a StuG III with Ostketten:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/golem-0815/stug-III-ostkette.jpg

Interesting. It's something different by the usual Tank's Upgrade (MG Gunner etc...).

I think that one similar thing were also mounted on M4 Sherman.

[Versedhorison]

speed upgrades would be cool but the tanks would either have to start slow or the speed upgrade itself would have to be a somewhat minor increase for balance sake.

[cephalos]

what about the increased chance to become Immobilized?

[Versedhorison]

wouldn't wider tracks decrease the chance of a tank being immobilized?

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

If think it has no effect..
I don't really know about vet-changes and upgrade bonuses, so I chose 10% just to have a number. Maybe 5% or 7% would be fine without giving this upgrade a "bad side"?

[cephalos]

wouldn't wider tracks decrease the chance of a tank being immobilized?

they are bigger so they are easier to hit. Immobilzing (spelling  ) is caused by damage, not by terrain ( in CoH of course, not real life).

[GodlikeDennis]

Logically, larger treads would increase the total "hitpoints" of the treads while they would still take the same amount of damage from incoming fire. So the larger treads with more hitpoints would lose less % hit points and in effect, having to take more damage than the smaller ones to cease being operational.

The bonus would be even larger if theoretically the minimum required hitpoints were absolute, not percentage of total health. So big tread with 150 health is compared to little tread with 100 health. If treads had to be 50% undamaged to continue working, you could take 50 damage on the little tread but 75 damage on the big tread. Or, if treads only had to have 50 hp remaining (because they support the same weight tank anyway) the big tread could take 100 damage before being unusable.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the idea. I'm just throwing that out there cos I'm bored.

[Versedhorison]

wouldn't wider tracks decrease the chance of a tank being immobilized?

they are bigger so they are easier to hit. Immobilizing (spelling  ) is caused by damage, not by terrain ( in CoH of course, not real life).

Yes of course however I'm gonna agree with Godlikedennis post since bigger tracks = more track HP makes more sense for CoH (not IRL)

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

I agree with him too. I think that's a pretty good idea for the Ostheer now. Maybe just for a doctrine, but it should be implemented.

[Raider217]

Or it could be a global upgrade which until researched meant all tracked vehicles had lowered top speeds and HP (of their tracks that is). Sort of as a built in weakness to the faction. (Due of course to the effect of the Russian winters and mud on many of the Wehrmachts vehicles IRL)