Unit suggestion thread:

[neosdark]

I do like the idea of a IS-2 ACE. Sounds really nice and give a smexy color scheme like the Tiger ACE and you will have one great tank. Paint it some kind of real cool White Camo so the enemy knows when they are fucked

That sounds cool... but it's too late now .

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ME WANTS MY ACE 

[BurroDiablo]

Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

[neosdark]

Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

KK sounds good, I hope we can arrange that, or maybe make the early version and late version reward units, one is better but more expensive, while the other is cheaper and less efficient.

Though that would be very Blitzy so maybe not.....

[Chancellor]

I don't see how IS-3 is different from Maus.  Both come from the same source: noobs begging for super-tanks.  Also, neither saw battle in Europe.

IS3 was added because we had the model and it would've been a shame to waste it. People want the Maus added as a direct response to the IS3, which is an utterly retarded premise. IS3 is more akin to the KT, and in the game the IS3 has been toned down so it doesn't challenge the KT's position as strongest tank in the game.

Well that's the thing unfortunately.  It was added just for the sake of adding it, simply because there was a model available.  Its like adding the Maus simply because there's a World of Tanks model available.  Hopefully this IS-3 unit can be replaced with something different, and less fantasy-like, like the "IS-2 Ace" later on.


It is right that the Soviet 1-time call in for Breakthrough isn't as strong as the German 1-times (KT / Jagdpanther).  People need to look at this from a balance standpoint before simply blindly new shit in.

If you look at the doctrines, right now Breakthrough doctrine is like PE Tank Destroyer doctrine PLUS elements from Luftwaffe Doctrine (luft ground forces for repair / air strike) all rolled into one.  Not to mention their airstrike is much better than the Henschel one, but costs the same.  Breakthrough doctrine has to be weaker somewhere to make up for its more useful commander abilities.  Every doctrine has its relatively useless abilities, such as Inspired Assault, V1, Tank Awareness, APC rounds, etc, but for Breakthrough doctrine, the abilities are all useful.

[RedGuard]

Nothings wrong with breakthrough atm its very expensive to begin with, it will be overshadowed by the new prop doc.  also henschel is actually rather powerful vs armor and base buildings, I think IL-2 eventually needs to have its AI ability decreased and its AT ability increased.

the muni cost is not an issue also you forget IL2 comes at the late stages of the game were soviets will have a big muni upkeep so all this is taken into account. theres more to it than just comparing faction costs

The IS-3 will usually win vs every axis heavy except for KT and jagp in a slugfest, but those super heavys are the ones where micro will allow you to win.

IS-2 ace? eww

[Fede91CCNN]

Hi, I wanna suggest some units for Foreign Support Units, like Italian Camicie Nere (Black Coats) with 3 Carcano, 1 Breda M1930 and 1 MAB 1938, 47/32 AT gun and M14/41 medium tank, Romanian Mountain troops with 4 Kar98k and 1 MP41, Hungarian Honved and Turan II medium tank, Panzer 38t for Germans and all their allies in early game and StuGIII Ausf.B for Germans only.

[HyperSniper999]

Hi, I wanna suggest some units for Foreign Support Units, like Italian Camicie Nere (Black Coats) with 3 Carcano, 1 Breda M1930 and 1 MAB 1938, 47/32 AT gun and M14/41 medium tank, Romanian Mountain troops with 4 Kar98k and 1 MP41, Hungarian Honved and Turan II medium tank, Panzer 38t for Germans and all their allies in early game and StuGIII Ausf.B for Germans only.

I sort of took this idea from somebody else, but here was it anyway.
All foreign infantry when you get them have equal stats, but you can upgrade them they become different.
Finns - AT rifles - Become very good against light armor
Hungarians - I heard they had a very powerful rocket launcher, they could use that - Good against heavy armor
Italians - MAB-38 SMG's - Good against infantry at close range
Romanians - Larger squads since Romania sent many men into Russia - Again, infantry advantage

[Venoxxis]

Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

This is one of these Burroideas i truely love.
But what would it replace than?  I guess 90% of ppl would hate to see the IS3 replaced again, its simply the literally pike of soviet tank engineering.
The way Rudguard explained it axis only ppls should be fine with it as well.

Regards,
-V-

[IJoe]

Well, in the future we could possibly do something like that when we replace the models. Buildable IS2's use the early stepped hull, IS2 Ace uses the glacis hull. Would explain for armour differences.

This is one of these Burroideas i truely love.
But what would it replace than?  I guess 90% of ppl would hate to see the IS3 replaced again, its simply the literally pike of soviet tank engineering.
The way Rudguard explained it axis only ppls should be fine with it as well.

Regards,
-V-

True.

As for what it could replace, maybe T-34 call-in?

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

As for what it could replace, maybe T-34 call-in?

That would be waaay to soon for a heavy tank ace. Maybe you could just make it replace the standard IS-2 and raise its cost plus hardcap it?

[IJoe]

As for what it could replace, maybe T-34 call-in?

That would be waaay to soon for a heavy tank ace. Maybe you could just make it replace the standard IS-2 and raise its cost plus hardcap it?

But it would be an expensive one-time call-in. This should pay.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

As for what it could replace, maybe T-34 call-in?

That would be waaay to soon for a heavy tank ace. Maybe you could just make it replace the standard IS-2 and raise its cost plus hardcap it?

But it would be an expensive one-time call-in. This should pay.

Still to soon. It comes second in the command tree. Maybe the XP cost could be raised then. To keep things fair

[IJoe]

I'd say, just make it REALLY expensive on XP (like Tiger) - this would halt it's early entry.
And don't forget - it will host no pesky riders, and won't be able to capture points.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

I'd say, just make it REALLY expensive on XP (like Tiger) - this would halt it's early entry.
And don't forget - it will host no pesky riders, and won't be able to capture points.

Yeah, that might be fine. I fully agree with you. But we should keep sticking to topic, this isn't the reward unit suggestion thread of Red Army suggestions

[BurroDiablo]

It would probably be a model change of the IS2 for those who think the IS3 is unrealistic, IS2 Ace would have exactly the same stats. Although, thought I heard somewhere that you can only have 1 reward vehicle per unit, may have been tripping. Unless the IS3 is a 10% chance vehicle... same stats as the IS2 Ace, but you have a 10% of getting it instead of the IS2.