Unit suggestion thread:

[Blackbishop]

Merged posts.

[Sommarkatze]

I just want people to know that these Nachtjägers are pure fiction. Sadly ;C I think they are awesome. But my reserach and other people reaschereas ends up with that the only true Nachtjägers that existed were the brave night figther pilots trying to defend citiez from bombing raids. ( Yes I call them brave because they are defending civilianz, DEAL WITH IT<3)

The nachtjägers we want to exist the ones with stg44 rifles with vampyr nightvision scopes and leibermuster camo. These unit its just a fictional unit the japanese Dragon model company have made up ;/

[neosdark]

They are certainly not fictional, and they did exist in Infantry, Mechanized, and Armor Divisions, not just in the Lufftwaffe.

There were no particular units named "1st Nachtjager Divsion", or other such stuff, but certain Vampir-using (or similar device) were called by there peers "Nacthjagers" for their job, attacking or defending at night using their Infrared equipment. So they certainly not fake.

The Leibermuster camo with StG 44/ Vampir scope is an idealization of what a well equipped Nachtjager would look like, but I'm sure that many didn't wear that particular camo, nor did they always have StG44, I've seen and heard of units using Vampir scopes on MG34s and MG42s with varying degrees of success.

[Sommarkatze]

Really? I am having troubles believing that. An source would be awesome Always fun to learn new stuff ^^

[neosdark]

Don't have too many sources atm, I have seen some pictures of weaponry with Vampir scopes. For example this Panther was found with this equipment mounted on the turret. Other pictures exist with Halftrack mounted variants and I have seen, but currently cannot find, stills of MG42s with said equipment

http://www.oocities.org/desertfox1891/nightfightingpanthers/nightfightingpanthers.htm

An article about this stuff

[DrRockzo1986]

Try the wikipedia page about the Zielgerät 1229 or Vampir. It says Grenadiers who used this equipment were known as Nachtjagers and how the equipement was used in combat during 1945.
Post Merge: June 16, 2011, 02:25:44 AM@neosdark
wouldnt the volksturm be more like the russian partisan unit instead of conscripts?

[neosdark]

Umm no. The Volkssturm were organized by the local Nazi Party Leaders, they were not gangs of roving soldiers or civilians who were later supplanted with handlers. The Volkssturm was supposed to be a militia reminiscent of the Landwehr of Prussia and the Landsturm of the Napoleonic Wars. However unlike the Partisans who usually formed by themselves with little political meaning, the Volkssturm was supposed to be the Full-Out Defense of Germany formed by local Nazi Party officials of any men they could get their hands on, not operating covertly, but in conjunction with Heer forces. Also Partisans sabotaged installations in occupied territory while the VS (which i will abbreviate them from now on kinda getting annoying writing that over and over) was supposed to prevent installations from being captured and destroyed by Soviet armies.

What you are referring to is the Werwolf orginization which was supposed to be a German partisan force on paper, but was mainly for propaganda purposes

[DrRockzo1986]

Oh, well I was going for which game model they were most like I just cant bring myslef to see them like the Conscript unit because the main picture for the Volkssturm on Wiki reminds me of the Partisan model

[neosdark]

Most Conscripts were rag tag soldiers too. Its just propaganda that they all had nice clean forms, many went into battle in their own clothes and if they survived, and the local area received fresh uniforms (not to mention reinforcements), then would they be dressed like real soldiers.

[Sommarkatze]

Thanks for the reply. I did know about the Panther and now when you mention it I remember something about mgs with the Vampyr sight too. Hell, the Nachtjägers I were talking about ( the fighterplanes) I read somewhere that even those were equipped with the vampyr. However in the end. Its a really rare piece of equipment and I believe many did never see any action. (Kind of sad because its AWESOME! )

[neosdark]

That is indeed correct very few saw service, mainly because the first shipment that the Wehrmacht received, they refused to use (I'm particularly sure on what grounds though). The few units that did use it used it with efficiency though, so as a campaign thing, it sounds cool.

[gilioni]

For Ostheer, I suggere to give them some bunkers which could be upgrade in reinforcement point, anti-tanks bunker, MG bunker and motar bunker!
What the community think???

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

Besides that the Ostheer concept is already done and the factions design doesn't tend to be based on bunkers like Wehrmacht is, the idea is not that bad, though maybe a concrete version of Brits emplacements.
If you want a fancy OH bunker, try the Panzernest that can be constructed by Sturmpioneers.

[cephalos]

community thinks this should be posted in Ostheer Suggestion thread.

And I don't think that OH needs a lot of upgrades for bunkers to make them more campy than WH already is.

[gilioni]

I think that the Panzernestnest will make me happy thx!
But a constructible Motar bunker and a AT bunker should be cool, isnt it