Unit suggestion thread:

[maxi1991]

I admit I didn't read the wiki page, just found it interesting if Russians could be seen on both sides of the fence.

But anyway, by that logic this game shouldn't exist. The Soviets, Germans and Americans did some pretty awful stuff during the war.

But the Germans lost so only their feet are held to the fire.
Not a great idea, should only be German units in the Ostheer.

Why? We already have two German factions, besides it wouldn't be historically accurate that way.

Because, AFAIK, EF team claimed, that it isn't going to add any war criminals. Discussion over?

Havent played for a time. But isn't the Red Army in this game and you can get Partisanas with them?

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

Havent played for a time. But isn't the Red Army in this game and you can get Partisanas with them?

Partizans are no war criminals. They are just a "free" local army to fight the enemy, that hasn't been invited

[IJoe]

You mean partizans? Yes you can.
I guess, now you're going to open some double bottom to that question, so before you do - many of them are officially declared heroes of the SU, and the only governments, considering them to be criminals, are that of the baltic states - they all share strong anti-russian and pro-fascist position, glorifying former members of the SS. This sad fact is denounced by the world community officially. The list of countries, that denounced it includes Germany as well.
Any more to add?

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

You mean partizans? Yes you can.
I guess, now you're going to open some double bottom to that question, so before you do - many of them are officially declared heroes of the SU, and the only governments, considering them to be criminals, are that of the baltic states - they all share strong anti-russian and pro-fascist position, glorifying former members of the SS. This sad fact is denounced by the world community officially. The list of countries, that denounced it includes Germany as well.
Any more to add?

Sorry, I didn't think of that. My post was just related to the russian partizans appearing in the game and fighting the enemy there, not every partizan that has ever fought in reality, no matter on whose side.

[IJoe]

You mean partizans? Yes you can.
I guess, now you're going to open some double bottom to that question, so before you do - many of them are officially declared heroes of the SU, and the only governments, considering them to be criminals, are that of the baltic states - they all share strong anti-russian and pro-fascist position, glorifying former members of the SS. This sad fact is denounced by the world community officially. The list of countries, that denounced it includes Germany as well.
Any more to add?

Sorry, I didn't think of that. My post was just related to the russian partizans appearing in the game and fighting the enemy there, not every partizan that has ever fought in reality, no matter on whose side.

No, man, that is me who is sorry, for I wrote my post to comment the question, weather the russians partizans are in the game. So, everything I wrote refers to that post, not yours.
Sorry again (that's what the quote function is there for, right?  )

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

Ahh ok good then lets start off again. 

[Analpirat]

Governments considerations are based on politics so that is not really a valid argument. Your whole pro-soviet attitude to me is as concerning as is someone pro-nazi. Both the same ilk in my book, butchers for different reasons.

[maxi1991]

So you guys think that the Red Army and Partisans can be in game but Waffen SS is a no go?

There is only one way. All are in game or no one is ingame.

[Analpirat]

So you guys think that the Red Army and Partisans can be in game but Waffen SS is a no go?

There is only one way. All are in game or no one is ingame.

No, I wouldn't say so. The Wehrmacht is in the game, so why shouldn't it's equivalent the Red Army be in game, too? I guess Partisans are more problematic, but I don't give that much about political correctness as long as things aren't hugely inappropriate. And that I think would be the case with the Waffen-SS.
Why do you care about such things anyhow? Does the name Waffen-SS effect gameplay? Is it important to describe the Units role? No it isn't, unlike with partisans. I'm more concerned that some people want the Waffen-SS because it gives them a huge SS-fanboy-nerd-boner than for any other reasons. And that should neither be the case with the Soviets nor with a German faction, that people get high on questionable political ideas.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

No, I wouldn't say so. The Wehrmacht is in the game, so why shouldn't it's equivalent the Red Army be in game, too? I guess Partisans are more problematic, but I don't give that much about political correctness as long as things aren't hugely inappropriate. And that I think would be the case with the Waffen-SS.
Why do you care about such things anyhow? Does the name Waffen-SS effect gameplay? Is it important to describe the Units role? No it isn't, unlike with partisans. I'm more concerned that some people want the Waffen-SS because it gives them a huge SS-fanboy-nerd-boner than for any other reasons. And that should neither be the case with the Soviets nor with a German faction, that people get high on questionable political ideas.

+1

People just want Waffen SS because it's there dream of German "uberness". You can't compare Waffen SS with partizans, Waffen SS got it's criminal orders by Hitler or Himmler and the partizans where neither organized in political nor idealistic, nor in criminal terms.
Maybe there could be something like "Elite Stormtroopers" but no SS unit.

[HyperSniper999]

I admit I didn't read the wiki page, just found it interesting if Russians could be seen on both sides of the fence.

But anyway, by that logic this game shouldn't exist. The Soviets, Germans and Americans did some pretty awful stuff during the war.

But the Germans lost so only their feet are held to the fire.
Not a great idea, should only be German units in the Ostheer.

Why? We already have two German factions, besides it wouldn't be historically accurate that way.

Because, AFAIK, EF team claimed, that it isn't going to add any war criminals. Discussion over?

I highly doubt the Finns or Italians are really big, bad war criminals. And again with the War Criminal logic, Germans shuoldn't even be playable. Because they're WAR CRIMINALS!

Hypocrisy for the win!

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

I admit I didn't read the wiki page, just found it interesting if Russians could be seen on both sides of the fence.

But anyway, by that logic this game shouldn't exist. The Soviets, Germans and Americans did some pretty awful stuff during the war.

But the Germans lost so only their feet are held to the fire.
Not a great idea, should only be German units in the Ostheer.

Why? We already have two German factions, besides it wouldn't be historically accurate that way.

Because, AFAIK, EF team claimed, that it isn't going to add any war criminals. Discussion over?

I highly doubt the Finns or Italians are really big, bad war criminals. And again with the War Criminal logic, Germans shuoldn't even be playable. Because they're WAR CRIMINALS!

Hypocrisy for the win!

Without Germans, this game wouldn't even exist and you would never have had a reason to complain here. Leave it as it is and it's fine.

[HyperSniper999]

I admit I didn't read the wiki page, just found it interesting if Russians could be seen on both sides of the fence.

But anyway, by that logic this game shouldn't exist. The Soviets, Germans and Americans did some pretty awful stuff during the war.

But the Germans lost so only their feet are held to the fire.
Not a great idea, should only be German units in the Ostheer.

Why? We already have two German factions, besides it wouldn't be historically accurate that way.

Because, AFAIK, EF team claimed, that it isn't going to add any war criminals. Discussion over?

I highly doubt the Finns or Italians are really big, bad war criminals. And again with the War Criminal logic, Germans shuoldn't even be playable. Because they're WAR CRIMINALS!

Hypocrisy for the win!

Without Germans, this game wouldn't even exist and you would never have had a reason to complain here. Leave it as it is and it's fine.

I'm not looking for SS, just stating the fact that he's being a big hypocrite being fine with the Germans and Soviets who can easilly be seen as war criminals yet saying everybody else can't be in because they're war criminals.
Don't get me wrong, I still want OH to have mostly Germans, but I don't want a full, "Ja zi am German!" faction since two already exist. Just want variety and diversity. Besides, I'm very interested in foreign units fighting for other countries throughout history.

[IJoe]

No SS, no traitor troops. For the rest - couldn't care less.

[Analpirat]

I'm not looking for SS, just stating the fact that he's being a big hypocrite being fine with the Germans and Soviets who can easilly be seen as war criminals yet saying everybody else can't be in because they're war criminals.
Don't get me wrong, I still want OH to have mostly Germans, but I don't want a full, "Ja zi am German!" faction since two already exist. Just want variety and diversity. Besides, I'm very interested in foreign units fighting for other countries throughout history.

Yeah that is indeed hypocritical. But that's just personal bias and you won't sway a lot of ppl because of that. I wouldn't mind it if the OH could call in something like an auxillary squad that would represent all the nations that fought on Germanys side. Perhaps they could use alternating voice files from the Finish, Romanian,etc CoH versions (if those exist).