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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2011, 05:26:43 PM »
Actually US defeated both countries nearly at the same time. Germany 5th May, Japan 2nd September. They didn't had to even move troops from Europe.
Japanese did well choosing not to attack USSR. Two reasons: 1. How can navy-based army attack Siberia?? Ships would be useful only in attacking Sachalin or Kamchatka. Nothing more. Also Japanese theory of liberation the "enslaved" nations of Indonesia. And create area of influence there.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #121 on: January 20, 2011, 05:43:37 PM »
Yeah, i realize the Allies defeated Japan shortly after Germany. But from what i've seen in the many documentaries i have watched, the Americans decided to focus more on the Germans than the Japanese. Also, i think it was the Russians who ultimately defeated Germany...

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #122 on: January 20, 2011, 05:47:17 PM »
Yeah, i realize the Allies defeated Japan shortly after Germany. But from what i've seen in the many documentaries i have watched, the Americans decided to focus more on the Germans than the Japanese.

Just read into the quantity of US men, fighting each side, add to it the time, when americans arrived to europe, don't forget when US started fighting Japan, and see, that you're all wrong...

EDIT: removed that part about russians,- it doesn't go with my comment  ;D
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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #123 on: January 20, 2011, 05:54:30 PM »
Could you please be more specific?

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #124 on: January 20, 2011, 05:59:55 PM »
Could you please be more specific?

C'mon man, just search through the net on the points, I listed above... Don't be all that lazy.
I'd be more broad here, but I just don't really have a hell lot of time now, nor do I have a desire to play a history teacher  ;)

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #125 on: January 20, 2011, 06:05:57 PM »
Dude, i wouldn't know how to do that. Practically all my knowledge of W.W.II comes from documentaries i borrowed from the library...

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #126 on: January 20, 2011, 06:37:17 PM »
Well, i'm no history buff, but as far as i know, the Japanese attacked Hawaii and Alaska, bringing America into the war. And the Americans decided to deal with the Germans before the Japanese. So the Germans were fighting a tough enemy on the Western as well as the Eastern front, stretching their resources pretty thin...

Correct me if i'm wrong on any of that...
Somewhat, as Hitler sided with the Japanese and declared War on the US, which wasn't a necessity as Japan had nothing to offer for the German War effort.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #127 on: January 20, 2011, 06:47:18 PM »
Well, i'm no history buff, but as far as i know, the Japanese attacked Hawaii and Alaska, bringing America into the war. And the Americans decided to deal with the Germans before the Japanese. So the Germans were fighting a tough enemy on the Western as well as the Eastern front, stretching their resources pretty thin...

Correct me if i'm wrong on any of that...
Somewhat, as Hitler sided with the Japanese and declared War on the US, which wasn't a necessity as Japan had nothing to offer for the German War effort.

OMG!  ::)
Hitler declared war on the US because of it's material support of the enemies of the reich, and japan was simply seen as a useful ally, that could distract US from war in europe and make it spend their resources elsewhere.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #128 on: January 20, 2011, 06:51:42 PM »
Well, i'm no history buff, but as far as i know, the Japanese attacked Hawaii and Alaska, bringing America into the war. And the Americans decided to deal with the Germans before the Japanese. So the Germans were fighting a tough enemy on the Western as well as the Eastern front, stretching their resources pretty thin...

Correct me if i'm wrong on any of that...
Somewhat, as Hitler sided with the Japanese and declared War on the US, which wasn't a necessity as Japan had nothing to offer for the German War effort.

OMG!  ::)
Hitler declared war on the US because of it's material support of the enemies of the reich, and japan was simply seen as a useful ally, that could distract US from war in europe and make it spend their resources elsewhere.
That doesn't hold any water. The war against Japan would've detracted from the US supplies to Europe and the Soviets without Hitler declaring war on the US.

Edit: Maybe you misunderstand me: I'm saying Germany going to War with the US wasn't necessary and a strategic mistake.
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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #129 on: January 20, 2011, 06:58:19 PM »
I edited my post to make it clearer. To explain: cephalos said the US entered the War in Europe because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. That is incorrect and that is what my statements were referring to.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #130 on: January 20, 2011, 07:29:14 PM »
Well, US was doing definitely everything necessary and even more to be considered an enemy of the reich.
Besides (though it's not relevant to the topic, so accept my apologies here), it seems, that Japan was simply forced by the circumstances, ultimately absolutely created by the US alone, to make war on the latter. It appears, that Roosevelt intentionally led this country straight into the war in the pacific, aiming at the spread of US overall influence in that particular region, and in the world , after all. But this is just a point of view (shared by many historians though), and a topic for yet another broad discussion, so don't really mind me saying that.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #131 on: January 20, 2011, 07:36:19 PM »
Well sure they were. But having them (merely) supply your enemies is still better than having them supply your enemies, bomb you and invade your country  ;)
But to realize that required an openess to reality and input from the general staff that Hitler did not possess.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #132 on: January 20, 2011, 07:39:54 PM »
Their part in the war against the reich was rather puny (that would be IMO here) 'till the very D-day.

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #133 on: January 20, 2011, 07:45:46 PM »
Well Puny is taking it to the extreme. I don't think one should undervalue all the supplies the Brits and the Soviets received. They didn't pay such a huge price in blood, but without them victory would've come a lot more costly to the soviets (If, Gasp!, at all. But you'll probably try to stone me for that  ;) ).

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Re: Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front
« Reply #134 on: January 20, 2011, 07:49:47 PM »
Dude, i wouldn't know how to do that. Practically all my knowledge of W.W.II comes from documentaries i borrowed from the library...
duuude, you got to be kidding? ever heard of google or wikipedia?