Why did Germany lose on the Eastern Front

[loatty]

I'm not at all agreeing with you, but that's alright, but be warned, your now saying stuff which cannot be proven to be true nor false, be cautious with what your saying, bro.

[IJoe]

Truly so.
Besides, saying "I ignore some point of view, because it's all crap" sounds odd. As if you are saying, that all SU history books are completely made up of lies, while some western are so true and so much closer to reality.
Ever considered that every side did and does put a lot of effort in making propaganda?

[loatty]

apologies, we're drifting off, although this is at least for a part related to the topic.

[Imperium]

well I could be wrong. But the figures often don't make sense. I will try to find out which it was. THere was a battle where the Soviet data claims 88,000 dead russians, 55,000 dead Germans an 500 destroyed German tanks. THis seems completely impossible. No tank losses for the Red Army? Krushev himself made some statements implying that the soviet figures were cooked. Like I said, given the very bad economic and industrial decisions tat Germany made, I couldn't possibly imagine Germany having any hope against a Czarist, or White Government in place. Any sort of German victory against that would still be in question if Germany made equivalent decisions.
All of the sides promoted propaganda, but the USSR was the only one to do so with actual data, and it is the only one to still be believed today. There was no lock down on published information in Britain, the US, or West Germany. This is why the US can account for nearly all of it's casualties and actual product produced in factories. The USSR either had, Russia still has, them on lock down, or they simply do not exist, and the data available is estimated, or made up, probably something inbetween those two.

[loatty]

The USSR data are very hard to call 'real', mostly because of the propaganda, but not all data was false.

[IJoe]

All of the sides promoted propaganda, but the USSR was the only one to do so with actual data, and it is the only one to still be believed today.

AFAIK, according to official media reports during the war in Vietnam US forces had the entire population of Vietnam killed for at least three times.

[Seeme]

Peh, In WW2 the only propaganda in American was Buggs Bunny hitting Hitler in the head with a mallet

[IJoe]

Peh, In WW2 the only propaganda in American was Buggs Bunny hitting Hitler in the head with a mallet

Actually, not... See some anti japanese american war films of the time. I recall several, where those were actually called "monkeys".

[Chancellor]

I saw those too.  And the disturbing thing is...Bugs Bunny was the one who was saying that stuff  lol

[loatty]

This is not about Vietnam people, stick to the topic, please.

[pariah]

If y'all don't mind me dropping in - The answer to your question is quite simple: Germany lost because Russia won.

[loatty]

yes, and we're discussing what kind of things Germany ... up, and how the USSR won, despite their losses

[pariah]

Well, i think the Japanese are partly to blame...

[loatty]

Oh? Could you be so kind to share the 'why' with us, please?

[pariah]

Well, i'm no history buff, but as far as i know, the Japanese attacked Hawaii and Alaska, bringing America into the war. And the Americans decided to deal with the Germans before the Japanese. So the Germans were fighting a tough enemy on the Western as well as the Eastern front, stretching their resources pretty thin...

Correct me if i'm wrong on any of that...