Axis Non-German Troops

[Paciat]

"The fact from Stalingrad is: Romanians cant stop a T-34 with guns or traps"

In krasny bor(leningrad front in 1943) the blaue division stop a russian attack formed by 44,000 soldiers,100 tanks,187 arrtillery pieces used pak 36,mg34,kar98,mp 40,mines and grenades.

the axis forces were 5,300 spaniards and two companies of france ss.

But the blaue division is not Romanian and its not an army ("just" a volunteer division of civil war veterans). Spain wasnt even at war with Soviets.
They olso were defending a "krasny bor" - beautiful forest not open plains of ukraine.

[GamblerSK]

Paciat i know the fact that from 1939 - 1945 wasn't Czechoslovakia but before we were one country with one government the Factories was also in Slovakia and some weapons were build ed in there. So when in 1939 Slovakia gained autonomy we get our president and new name but that don't change fact we were a long before one republic

and to your idea Slovakia troops can be equipped well
some 5 man with LMG upgrade - main rifle vz 24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vz._24
upgrade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZB_vz._26 (Bren is a modification of that LMG)
need AT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_kanon_P.U.V._vz._37
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_mm_kanon_P.U.V._vz._36_%28%C5%A0koda_A6%29
or better upgrade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZH-29 probably not used on EF but its a game not reenactment here's a picture of that thing
http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armaslr/arm065.jpg

and more...

[PSIHOPAT]

One - romanian soldiers must be represented correct or not at all,because is well known about romanians to be tough fighters.

Second - the power of the army is not represented by the size of the territory.The huge size filled with chickens can scare some cowards at the first look,but when the combat test come,the truth cannot be ignored by both parts

Third - this mod represent contributions of some countries in Eastern Front with manpower and equipment,not with the size of the lands or sleeping population at their home.

Forth - The romanian army in eastern front was seconded just by Germany himself.All other countries in that territory are just little sh***.If Romania would choose to fight against Germania,with Russia as allied,history would be very different today,but this thing cannot even be imagined.The generals was very good,but the king was a idiot because has turned the weapons against Germany(with more than one million soldiers prepared).If this thing would not happened,allot of countries from Europe today would speak another language,and lost almost all national identity.

[250.Inf. Div.]

krasny bor a forest? the spanish lines have a range 20 km formed by lines of trenchs a mg nest in open field.

my idea is add a non germans troops doctrine and add the best for this countrys for example:

finis sniper and infiltration troops
romania tanks
italy alpini
Hungarian SS Volunteer Cavalry Division Maria Theresia
spanish infantry or pak  mg from this division
bulgarians tanks...

[GamblerSK]

i agree with you PSIHOPAT
id like to see other countries to it could be in every building should be some unit from Axis like Italy, Romania, Hungary, Finish i don't have problem with that but also id like to see Slovakia there and that whats I'm trying to show at...

Czechoslovakia was smaller then other countries but in the 30 and especially when Hitlers power was rising we stated to making plans of the defending our homeland we build up many defensive lines comparable to Maginot line

http://img156.imageshack.us/i/pict4636a6fo.jpg/

a lot of photos of the bunkers light or heavier
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?82534-The-frontier-bunker-system-of-Czechoslovakia-%28a-lot-ofpics-schemes%29&highlight=czechoslovak%20bunker


there was plan that we hold Nazi attacks until help from France, Great Britain comes (they were former allies)
but that never happens because France and Britain "sold us for peace" but the peace wasn't about year later WWII started...
we were prepared to fight against Nazi expansion because we had trained soldiers and good equipment.
later Slovakia troops fought on the Axis side with those weapons...

[Paciat]

Paciat i know the fact that from 1939 - 1945 wasn't Czechoslovakia but before we were one country with one government the Factories was also in Slovakia and some weapons were build ed in there. So when in 1939 Slovakia gained autonomy we get our president and new name but that don't change fact we were a long before one republic

and to your idea Slovakia troops can be equipped well
some 5 man with LMG upgrade - main rifle vz 24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vz._24
upgrade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZB_vz._26 (Bren is a modification of that LMG)
need AT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_kanon_P.U.V._vz._37
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_mm_kanon_P.U.V._vz._36_%28%C5%A0koda_A6%29
or better upgrade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZH-29 probably not used on EF but its a game not reenactment here's a picture of that thing
http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armaslr/arm065.jpg

and more...

Did the III reich or Slovakia used those weapons on mass or are you just another guy (like PSIHOPAT but he at least has more than a 1M soldiers to prove it) that is saing my country is the most important so it must be in Ostheer.

Every army had rifles, LMGs and light AT-guns. Thats not good equipment. Its basic. And who cares if the equipment is good or bad? COH needs basic and elite units and its impossible to be more elite than elite german units.
PSIHOPAT can probably show "quality equipment" of Romanian army.

If youre going to post back GamblerSK, start by saing how many divisions slovakia had?

[PSIHOPAT]

Will be good if Romania will be represented with some infantry units.

[GamblerSK]

no they don't have a lot of troops on the EF around 45 000 and most of other countries (except Italy they produce many own weapons) were using weapons bought from other countries so whats so interest on of using reskined German pak as Hungary AT for example? many of Czechoslovakia weapons were used by other countries like Germany some were used by SS troops so i think had an troops with some new weapons which were really used and were good is better...

[ford_prefect]

this willl allways be a funny subject there are the people who don't want them for no real reason then there are the people who really want them for no real reason I would like to see it because of the fact that, that would be historicaly correct

[GamblerSK]

i want to see them all, all units from countries which joined EF theatre on the Axis side, some people here thinks i want the Slovak army be the only ostheer units but that's not right i want all the countries to be represented there as it was in real

Eastern Front was a theatre of war between the European Axis powers, Germany, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Croatia and Finland (not an Axis member), and the Soviet Union

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Well; i'm against including all axis-forces.
My reason is that this would be too much for the "Ostheer". Hundredths of different infantry-formation; CoH hadnt so much missiontypes for infantry and about tanks we dont have to talk - u guys know when both Hungarian panzer-divisions saw first combat? End 1943 when russian forces came closer to Hungarian - before this date most of the "axis"tanks were used against partisans or in a very very small number as "alert"-unit.

[PSIHOPAT]

This mod have some 3D models for units and romanian voices/sound.

http://www.carpathiancrosses.com/index.php?s=media

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Well. I havent said that u cant make a "axis-eastern front"
faction but i think it is absolutely needless to "push up" a
german Ostheer with other axis nations.

So my opinion:
No mixed german Ostheer.
When an Ostheer then just a german Ostheer
OR a "axis" easter front amry with german support
( but then germans are quiet rare ).

[PSIHOPAT]

With Romania in Ostheer will be allot of materials for campaign.

Ostheer without any unit from allied countries will be just another "rusty" german faction represented wrong,with all attempts.

The rare equipment used in Eastern Front(german symbol of might& power) is rejected for Ostheer,but also rejecting half of his strength(allies) is a very very bad decision leading to catastrophic bad and comical result.

[Paciat]

Well; i'm against including all axis-forces.
My reason is that this would be too much for the "Ostheer". Hundredths of different infantry-formation; CoH hadnt so much missiontypes for infantry and about tanks we dont have to talk - u guys know when both Hungarian panzer-divisions saw first combat? End 1943 when russian forces came closer to Hungarian - before this date most of the "axis"tanks were used against partisans or in a very very small number as "alert"-unit.

Soo true. But everyone speaks about elite units.
Romanian constripts would be a great early game infantry. As tough as volks they would have an LMG upgrade, AT granades or stickies.