Axis Non-German Troops

[GamblerSK]

yea and those Turan tanks and Zrinyi assault gun was based on the Czechoslovak chassis...
okey i wasn't saying Hungary don't have tanks just wrote that Czechoslovakia also had them...

[TheReaper]

yea and those Turan tanks and Zrinyi assault gun was based on the Czechoslovak chassis...
okey i wasn't saying Hungary don't have tanks just wrote that Czechoslovakia also had them...

No, no, no. That was Swedish licenced tanks, and customized by Hungarian engineers. It got heavier armour, and new guns.
http://modern-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_swedish_landsverk_l60_tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftv%C3%A4rnskanonvagn_L-62_Anti_II

These are similar designs. The all Pz 38(t)'s are used by the German engineers, because that was the best tank in the Wehrmacht arsenal at that time. Heavier tanks such Pz3 and Pz4s were in development or in prototype phase.

[GamblerSK]

^{40M Turan I was a Hungarian tank of World War II - a total of 424 were made in two variants: Turan I with a 40 mm gun and Turan II with a 75 mm gun. It was based on the design of the Czechoslovak Škoda T-21 medium tank prototype.}

also canon of Turan I was from Skoda manufacturer
and Zrinyi was based on Turan so we get back to an Czechoslovakia...
Post Merge: February 25, 2010, 05:11:45 PMHere you can see how much armored cars, tanks, tanketes and much more units Czechoslovak army had there are prototypes and successful models

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?138192-Czechoslovak-army-1918-1938

[TheReaper]

Those early tanks... lol.
Yes those licence bought from the Chezslovak companys, but produced, and then upgraded in Hungary, they fought under the white cross. For example, when you buy a car, it is you're car, or the companys, you bought?

By the way the blueprints looks cool:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-a/14557/view/43_m_zrinyi_ii_%28hungary%29/
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-a/14556/view/41_m_turan_ii_%28hungary%29/
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-a/15751/view/40m_csaba/
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-a/25603/view/44_m_hungarian_heavy_tank_of_wwii/

The last one was only prototype...

[WartyX]

Well if I owned a German-designed, German-owned car that was made in a British factory, then it is still a German car.

[GamblerSK]

theres a different betwen making something totally new which isn't easy or just modified something else which is good


btw only what i wanted to say is to take Czechoslovak army and their production more seriously...

[Paciat]

btw none of the pages you posted aren't working...

btw2 only what i wanted to say is to take Czechoslovak army and their production more seriously...
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Those pages are working in Poland.

Anyway czech production was taken seriously in COH OF (Marders and Hetzers).
Its the Romanian/Hungarian/Italian troops that should apear in EF.
Croatia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Spain werent that important.
Finland was tired of fighting a 1939-40 war and only wanted to retake its territories taken in 1940.

[GamblerSK]

Marder and Hetzer represent more Germany then Czechoslovakia
and i don't think much of the Italian,Romanian,Hungarian units were used on eastern Front in term of units i mean armament, maybe a few tanks, guns...was used on EF some were used on WF and there wasn't so many of them...
anyway Czechoslovakia weapon manufactures was important betwen first and second world war it was one of the best arsenal in Europe...

[TheReaper]

Well if I owned a German-designed, German-owned car that was made in a British factory, then it is still a German car.

Yeah, if it is the same from part-to-part, but it depends the point of wiev. Here is a comparison:

A képet a Képfeltöltés.hu tárolja. http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu

Or we can say it's the variants of the the Chezlovak tanks if you want. And what changes of the history? Hungarians crewed that tanks fought and died there.

[GamblerSK]

You just write bad example because when Korean Kia had factory in some Europe city its still Korean

also that's a bad compare
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-35t.htm
read this from top to end (or just look on the pictures )

nothing will change in history i want to demonstrate that Czechoslovakia production and armory was very good, better then Romanian, Hungary or Finish and more...

[PSIHOPAT]

Better weapon production capabilities not mean good warriors.

Romania with his "poor" equipment in WW2 was able to make a slaughter in russian lines.Romanians fight to the death if they have confidence in their commanders.In WW2 like in other romanian wars,can be found allot of exceptional commanders.If romanians go in war just death can stop them.Very few surrender.If they make step back,they do that because avoid unnecessary looses,and strike back with unimaginable precision and power where it hurt the most.All romanian counter attacks are devastating for enemy.If is no chance for victory,they will prefer to die in the last battle,inflicting to the enemy enormous damage in manpower,equipment and moral.

Romanian troops in eastern front was half from all combined country,allied with germany and that mean something.

War machines are controlled by humans.
Good machines controlled by idiots don't have too many chance of success.
One man with a rifle and some grenades can make allot of nasty things to the enemy.
One million can be a nightmare.
If they don't have weapons for destroying tanks in open field,they will lay traps,and romanians are experts in this things.Our history is full with crushing victories with 30.000 soldiers against 120.000,or where our beautiful womens has fought with the courage of the man in the front line in close combat.Our field are full of bones from the enemies.

All arrogant empires who has come in my country with bad intentions has found perish,sooner or late.

Romanians don't like heavy weapons,heavy armors or heavy tanks.They prefer to be a mobile force,capable of surprising enemies and making great damage.For example falxman warriors from Dacia(romania) was very dangerous foe against the roman soldiers(Roman Empire).This weapon was able to cut a man in two parts in one blow with all his armor.This weapon has forced romans to improve their armors because simply was useless when they fought against this "barbarians".

Always romanians have something to surprise the enemies.They are masters of ambushes.They are masters in simulating to be helpless to attract the prey in the trap.From the romanian traps is no escape from death.The most powerful army from the world caught in the romanian trap/ambush will have no chance to survive.

When Romania turned his wepons against Germny,no one has come to help them.They was able to destroy or rout all german forces from romanian territories.Russia has avoided in entering in romanian territories,because they has known about the danger of loosing allot of his mighty forces in this confrontation.If russians would made this mistake,probably was a fatal mistake,because not enough power has remained after that for defeating germany.

In their homeland,romanians know no fear,and are able to destroy enemies far superior in number or equipment.Romanians learn fast,and always use captured weapons against enemies.This is the reason why allot of romanian equipment from WW2 was from many countries.They take all,and use what is the most appropriate for their combat stile.If something don't fit,will be adapted.

Someone has suggested romanian grenadiers.They was very good soldiers,but also don't forget about mountain hunters.

Romania in World War 2

Armata romana

Song for iron guard
garda de fier legiunea capitanul

Nothing in this world is more holly
And the more beauty on the ground
than to die as a fighter
wrapped in tricolor(tricolor=three colors from romanian flag)
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Romanian generals from World War II

[Paciat]

Marder and Hetzer represent more Germany then Czechoslovakia

Do you even know there was no Czechoslovakia in 1939-1944?
Czech republic was a part o the III Reich.
Marder and Hetzer had LT-38 tank chasies made in Českomoravská Kolben Daněk and Škoda so their as Czech sa they can be.
Theres no point of making a LT-38 tank becouse it cant apear on the map before allies can get a Stuart/57mm (balance). Later it will be obsolete.
Post Merge: February 26, 2010, 12:59:10 AM

Better weapon production capabilities not mean good warriors.

Whats with this nationalist bull-shit PSIHOPAT?

It usually was true thas poor men (soviets, greece, ghurka rifles) didnt care much about their life but all squads in COH can fight till the "end".
Also who cares about Dacia times. COH is WWII!
The fact from Stalingrad is: Romanians cant stop a T-34 with guns or traps.

My idea - a "poor"->basic swapped Italian/Romanian/Hungarian tier I.
1. 5 man squad with 1 LMG upgrade (re-skinned bren) and AT granades.
2. 37/47mm AT gun.
3. Scout car/bike.

One more thing. There may be a Italian voice version of COH(not just subs) but I doubt there is an Romanian version. So Romanian soldiers wont speak Romanian!

[hgghg4]

Jesus H. I forget what this thread is about because of a wall of text that made me want to gouge my eyes out... if we use 'foreign' units then it should only be one or two major countries, not small ones that really didn't play a major roll in the war

[Rahvenich]

I disagree, hgghg4. The smaller countries are less likely to have worked independently from the Germans, hence it making more sense to include them in a German faction. The more represented ones would make more sense as separate factions, even if that's not happening.

[250.Inf. Div.]

"The fact from Stalingrad is: Romanians cant stop a T-34 with guns or traps"

In krasny bor(leningrad front in 1943) the blaue division stop a russian attack formed by 44,000 soldiers,100 tanks,187 arrtillery pieces used pak 36,mg34,kar98,mp 40,mines and grenades.

the axis forces were 5,300 spaniards and two companies of france ss.