T-34 Deserve his fame

[Akalonor]

T-34 shouldn't get destroyed by a pak and not a stug though, they have the EXACT same gun,Is there any way to fix that?

[comrade2012]

Well, I dont know exactly what you mean, but I do believe that both the Stug and the Pak should do about the same amount of damage to a T-34

[Akalonor]

They don't Stug shots often bounce off, pak shots never bounce off even at max range front armor.

[Cranialwizard]

PaK shots VERY RARELY bounce off of armor. I've seen it happen to heavier armor like Pershings and IS-2. Under VERY rare conditions does this happen.

AT guns are exactly that. Anti-Tank.

They generally do more damage if used correctly.

In an example, if you camo 2 PaK's and wait for a unsuspecting Sherman, within 4 hits, just 4 hits, it'll be a goner.(Even when targeting front armor)

StuGs don't have that much of an effect, this is why you should use them in groups.

StuG's are also very WEAK in the fact that it's a self propelled gun. It has no movable turret to aim in different directions. Therefore, as soon as a T-34 hits the ground, players who desperately need a StuG GONE, they can command their T-34 to do circles around the StuG, and most of the time the StuG will die because it is trying to follow it's target (:<

[Akalonor]

You did not get the point.

[Cranialwizard]

I got the point:

The PaK and the StuG have the same main weapon. But the PaK will destroy the T-34 more often than the StuG.

The PaK normally will be able to destroy a T-34 on the sole fact that it is camo-ed, countering is more difficult.

[BurroDiablo]

Noo, Pak-38 (what the Wehr has) had a 50mm cannon, StuG was 75mm. It seems much worse that the Pak is the uber-killing cybernetic death machine from hell that it seems to be in CoH...

In reality, Pak-38 faired very well against tanks like the T-34, even with its sloped armour... so you can kind of compare that to Sherman too. Anything over a T-34 though, it had a tougher time... fuck penetrating IS-2's. The StuG has the advantage of being armoured however, it was a decent enough tank killer in reality, but in a balanced (hahaaaahaha) game like CoH it wouldn't bode well to have made the StuG as effective as the Pak since the Pak can't take the same amount of punishment as the StuG.
Also, i'll add that the StuG is only Tier 3, it is the Wehr's earliest tank, so you can't expect it to be too powerful.

[Akalonor]

ahk I've played BK too much, they have WM 75mm pak, confused me for a second.

[Zerstörer]

That's a Pak40. 'Pak' is just the term for towed AT guns.
Pak38-50mm,Pak40-75mm,Pak43-88mm.
The abilities of the AT guns, in game terms, are largely irrelevant to real life. 

Pak38 is just bugged cause it gets 3 bonus shots instead of 1 bonus shot, which means the first 3 shots never bounce off anything. The rest work as normal aftre it decloaks and do bounce off as regularly as the 57mm

[Cranialwizard]

Which makes it even more deadly in numbers.

[Akalonor]

Most of my tanks are dead in those first three shots.

[Cranialwizard]

Most of my tanks are dead in those first three shots.

Depends mostly on how they are positioned. A smart Wehr  player would place them on the flanks, and command them to open fire when the tank is aligned with both of them.

If they are aiming at your front then you've got a serious problem. Make sure when you back your tank up it doesn't turn around, it just goes in reverse.

[comrade2012]

AT guns are really annoying, but they arent unstopable, you just have to be patient. Its easy to take them out with infantry, (snipers and flamers are the best). However, if you cant get your infantry close enough, then you should use a mortar. When your PE the incendiary rounds work great. Ostwinds and any kind of Flakpanzer are great too.

Never send in tanks alone!! Tanks are close to useless without any support units.

[LeaderH]

someone need to know that the stugs destroyed the most tanks in the war, not the tigers panthers..., so stugs can't kill a T34? ridiculous.

[Renas]

Trying not to be too offensive, but honestly guys, most of you sound like you understand nothing about balance. The t34 comes early and is very cheap for a medium tank. Add the fact that once it gets and upgrade it becomes arguably the best cost/effectivenes tank in the game. Does anyone here have at least lvl 8 in 1v1 automatch?