T-34 Deserve his fame

[Akalonor]

Hear, Hear! Down with the gas guzzling monstrosity!

[comrade2012]

I dont think we should make the T-34 any better, just cheaper. i would make it 4 or 5 pop cap instead of 6 or 7. and lower the fuel to 50. However, If you were to cut the price down that low, you would have to make the tank worse. The armor should be cut down a little (like the hellcat armor). the gun shouldnt be changed though, its good enough.

and yes, the tank was revolutinary. However, its armor was crap. It may have been sloped, but it was still thin.

[Akalonor]

Hellcat armor ,are you serious! That thing pops like a baloon!,every German AT weapon could penetrate it,it is not the same as T-34, sorry if I sound accusing, or harsh but I am just having a o.O moment.

[Cranialwizard]

Hellcat armor ,are you serious! That thing pops like a baloon!,every German AT weapon could penetrate it,it is not the same as T-34, sorry if I sound accusing, or harsh but I am just having a o.O moment.

Bahaha Hellcats XD

Sorry, but the superior armor of the T-34 should NOT change.

[comrade2012]

yes, I know thats bad.....but if the pop cap was only four, and the fuel was reduced to 45 or 50, you could make a lot of them, and that would make up for it.

Ok, even if we dont change the armor, we still need to lower the fuel cost of the T-34 and the fuel cost of the tank factory... I'm sorry, but 115 fuel for a russian factory is just too much.

[Akalonor]

I disagree with cost changes to the factory, if russiansget tanks too fast it won't be fair, their first tank is 30 fuel, and is quite good against light tanks, and the T-34 is cheap aswell, there will be no hope for the Germans if the prices go down that much.

[Cranialwizard]

yes, I know thats bad.....but if the pop cap was only four, and the fuel was reduced to 45 or 50, you could make a lot of them, and that would make up for it.

Ok, even if we dont change the armor, we still need to lower the fuel cost of the T-34 and the fuel cost of the tank factory... I'm sorry, but 115 fuel for a russian factory is just too much.

As it is, the Soviet armies are ALREADY OPd late game.

Basically you want it MORE POWERFUL?
You pay more for quality. I totally disagree with lowering prices. By mid to late game fuel accumulates with lack of tank productions, giving players a large surplus, most likely in the 200s. I think I can spare the fuel.

And the pop cap? The last thing Wher players need is a T-34/85 spam with 25 tanks across a border.

[stryker]

+1 to Cranialwizard's comments.  The sound I dread is the ominous clicking of that first T-34 when I still can't build AT yet !

There needs to be that cost of fuel for the building and the tank since the germans use a lot of fuel staging up...let alone the building.

[Cranialwizard]

If you were to change ANYTHING about the T-34, change nothing.

By the time you see a T-34, you KNOW a IS-2 or SU-85(100) is coming.
Making the T-34 available faster just makes ANY german player easier to beat. As it is, a Easy Soviet is more like a Hard Brit. They get their tanks out before much else. Sure you see a conscript spam, but lowering building and tank prices just makes you MORE screwed.

I mean I've played Hard Soviets and lost because within 10 minutes of a game I hear a T-34 coming, and then another 3 minutes later I see 4 of them headed for me with a IS-2 at the base. (Sniper acting as spy, killing weaker squads when they come back). Just decreasing the cap makes it 8 T-34s, and gives MORE room for bigger things like IS-2.

If I were to ever agree to decreasing price, I would drastically increase the cap. If I agreed to lowering cap, drastically increase the price. Those are the only two options I would present. If you lower both, all german players will eventually be T-34'd spammed. I mean heck, it IS the #1 tank

Me personally? I like the price and pop where it is 

[Sovereign]

Beat the M1 Abrams! Go Russia!

Uh no that's wishful thinking at best. T34 could not hold up against a maintained M1 on any level field of fight.

Historians would generally argue this point to death but I tend to sway to the other side of the table that believe that the T34 was credited with its title only because it was the sole contributor to the Germans response in making the Panther. 

[Cranialwizard]

Yes yes, the M1 Abrams IS more advanced than the T-34.

Reminder:
30 MILLION dollars to make one.
Minimum Production
F***in Gas Guzzler.
It's 2010.

Okay.

T-34:
Huge production, minimum cost
Extremely quick for low gas usage
Advanced armor for it's time.
1940's.

It deserves MUCH more than the M1 could accomplish because it was so far back in time, 60 years nearly. Hell, with all of the U.S's modern military tech, why wouldn't we TRY AND FIND A WAY TO STOP EXTREME GAS USAGE.

[comrade2012]

whenever I've played on Eastern Front the Germans get tanks just about the same time as the Russians, if not earlier.. Anybody that is carefull with their spending can get a Stug or a Marder right quickly. You can get a Stug or Marder in at least 10 mins. Also the stug and Marder are both cheaper than the T-34. I know that the Stug and the Marder arent exactly "tanks" but they are still armor, and if used correctly can easily knock out a T-34.

In my opinion, the fuel of the T-34 should be lowered.

[Cranialwizard]

The T-34 is perfectly set in my opinion.

whenever I've played on Eastern Front the Germans get tanks just about the same time as the Russians, if not earlier..

Haven't we all? God I love the mod.
I feel that changing the T-34 would drastically increase or decrease difficulty for either side. I mean if you think about it, lowering the fuel brings the T-34 out EARLIER than most other factions.

By the time a player has his kreig barracks he's not necessarily worried with PaK38s. He's concentrating on getting the F***in conscripts AWAY from his borders with Grenadiers and Mortars. By the time the T-34 comes flying in it'll be too later. DECREASING it's fuel would make it EVEN Earlier.
 

[Shaq]

The t34 would be good if you could actually hit something with it :\

[Venoxxis]

The T-34 is perfectly set in my opinion.

This is right what i think. The T-34 makes big fun, and comes out of the tank hall very early.
Even the non upgraded one is pretty deadly. Also, its a great inf. & tankkiller.

The upgraded one is just a punch for every kind of infantry. It kinds some ass. It hits snipers almost perfectly.

Also, paks became very less effective against the t-34.


As we got the t-34 right at the moment, its surly the most userfull tank of all.
And there is no reason to doubt that if you ever played with it.