T-34 Deserve his fame

[PSIHOPAT]

Watch this documentary where T-34 is considered Nr.ONE tank from history.It was very robust tank with excellent performance in very bad terrain,far superior than any other tanks from history,and even more their number was enormous.

Have fun watching how he go over the german tanks(favorite russian crew tactic) and through the buildings in this video .

Top Ten Tanks- # 1: The T-34

I suggest to be made with much better frontal deflective armor,to cost less fuel,and to move faster in bad terrain than any other tanks.Also if is possible to use tank shock against german tanks,damaging them.It will be excellent if tank shock ability will come from breakthrough doctrine.For balance reason his armor piercing power must be reduced.His tactic would be appropriate from reality...driving with full speed through the enemy,or hitting them from the rear.   

[WhiteFlash]

wow

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wtf

[omya]

lol one German tiger use to fc*k 3-4 Russian T34's at a same time :|

[Zerstörer]

That's not a documentary and what these guys say are more or less hyped bullshit.

This is how it went really, just to dismiss these myths.

T34 in 1941 was revolutionary in design because of the sloped armour, great mobility at the time and a powerful AT gun which at that point gave it its reputation. However at that time the soviet army was at its lowest point. The crews weren't trained, the tank tactics were appauling, their numbers were few, they had no radios and a two man turret (with the poor commander was trying to guide the tank,fire the gun and wave hand signals to coordinate with other tanks/infantry). On top of that because it was a newly introduced they didn't have enough ammo or spare parts for them. So their debute in combat was as bad as that of the Panther in Kursk.Its combat record and effectiveness was crap despite its advanced,for that year, design.
When a T34 run over a 37mm AT gun, it wasn't out of 'contempt', but because the gunners couldn't hit for shit or because they had no HE ammo.

By the time most the deficiencies were fixed(42-44), it was heavily outclassed in quality by even the PzIV. Hell, even the PZIII L/M  was better in tank vs tank combat than a T34 and its reputation had totally dropped by that time.
Unlike the german counterparts, it couldn't be upgraded with more armour AND bigger gun because the suspension and design couldn't handle it. It was one OR the other and they went for the gun(44-45) by which time the Panther was the german main battle tank which outclassed it in every respect.

Soviet T34 losses were appauling because of that low quality in crew training and equipment compared to the Germans.

The Germans on the other side had now way of matching the manpower of all the allies+soviets which is why they were making more quality tanks(with the maintenance downside) to compensate for the quantity they faced. Sure they could have built 2 PzIVs for every Panther, but you'd need to find and train and field 10 men instead of 5, fuel and maintain 2 tanks

T34s quality...was its quantity...like everything else in the soviet arsenal at that time. It was ever present and in numbers so became like symbol. They didn't really care about making it that good/durable because statistics showed they would rarely survive their first engagement...
Best tank?...ask the hundreds of thousands of tankers that lost their lives because of that poor quality/armour/gun...no wait they can't speak.

[PSIHOPAT]

I have some doubts telling about persons from documentary to be idiots.They are historians(no one is russian),and i think have no interest/profit from telling lies.

Anyway....something is true....and other hard to believe...for some....
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This mod don't represent overwhelming superiority of T-34 in balance between quality,cost and quantity.The germans was shocked when they first encountered this tanks,and their tanks was not so advanced at the beginning of the war.This can be reflected in game with very low production time.

Also what is wrong if T-34 will have tank shock ability?
This ability will make T-34 to drive in enemy tank,damaging them,or destroying their tracks.

Also if my idea is bad,is no other way to reflect something from history ?

[BDNeon]

I never understand this guy... he's always rabidly pro-russian and doesn't seem to grasp the concept of balance. I'd think he was russian if his sig didn't say Romanian. For that matter, why does he like WWII russians so much anyway? Wasn't his country BITTER ENEMIES with them?

[Zerstörer]

We reflect it quite well...you can fast tech to a T34/76 when there isn't much counter around apart from sherks/paks then you have your shock effect. Its cheap so you can get alot of them unlike the sherman. Its not as good as a WH PzIV , but better vs a PE PzIV vs tanks. T34/85 makes it better than anything other than a Panther/Tiger and still remains cheap.

Also what is wrong if T-34 will have tank shock ability?

What,an uber fast tank going around tank shocking infantry...you're having a laugh...and in games terms you aske yourself why does it NEED it...it doesn't

This ability will make T-34 to drive in enemy tank,damaging them,or destroying their tracks.

Coh ain't grand theft auto. What, have a fast tank going around raming other tanks and immobilizing them?lol. Not to mention a 34ton tank trying to ram a 56 ton tiger...lol
I'm sure you can use the T34 to block a tigers path while you use an SU or other tank to kill it

Dude this suggestions are really poorly thought of and sound random

As far as historians go...well there are shit loads around and they rarely agree with each other. They're worse than people arguing about game balance lol
Just because they get them on television don't mean they're right.

[PSIHOPAT]

Ramming tanks is not fantasy.Even if a tank have allot of tons,his tracks are weak.With all respect,but i think you need some historic materials.

And thx very much for speaking me in this way.

[Zerstörer]

I've read bucket loads of research materials and I know more than most.
And I even know the odd story of a KV1 being perforated by 88 shells killing half the crew and the rest bailing out...commander climbs back in and rams the tiger where upon the KV already on fire got the ammo cooked off and exploded....

But you have to understand and separate these stories from what is relevant to balance which is what I'm trying to get you to understand

[GamblerSK]

T-34 is a good tank because it was produced in masses it uses simple engine which was easy to repair (if you had some knowledge about it) and their armor which was    angling in front (70mm) Panzer IV had 80mm but vertical it had good canon which was enough for tanks which had lower armor (most German tanks when t34 was introduced) but again fact their were produced in masses was weary important (there are several suggestions that if germans was constraining on Panzer IV and no panthers, tigers and many other experimental and non experimental tanks they could win most battles) and another fact in real war there wasn't so many times when tanks come face to face in few meters but like 100, 200, 300 and more meters so there wasn't a big place for some flanking like in CoH so if the T-34 is the best tank? hmm it depends on how you look on it...

[PSIHOPAT]

"if the T-34 is the best tank? hmm it depends on how you look on it..."

Yes.

Depends how you look on it.
From the documentary shown by me above,few historians are agree and confirm some things,but we call them idiots.

Following this way,we can say about all history to be a crap,because is written by idiots.

Understanding something or finding the truth is more hard then rejecting something from start.

My idea was to give to T-34 one ability who make them special from others.If is "historical correct is less important"(developer words).Where AT half-track have precise shoot for immobilizing the target,this tank can make this in another way.

I say that because no tank from russia have any ability.This is fair?I think not.It was acceptable for first release,but rejecting all ideas for future is weird.

[Hpt.Berger]

T-34 falls into the generic coh 'medium tank' class, ie; sherman, pz4, etc. Like the almighty devs said numerous times before , this isnt a mod about historical accuracy 100% nor realism, just to bring the soviets and ostheer into the generic coh world,  with full intent to keep a balance between all other factions. We should be thankful for such a massive effort and undertaking theyre trying to do to keep the balance here.

And for those who complain about historical acuraccy, 'the t-34 spam' ,  having to build a muster tent>weapons support center>and straight to tank hall, thats a better advantage for the soviets than other factions, americans have to build  barracks or wsc , and supply depot to be able to build a  vehicle depot or tank factory, Wehrmacht has it even worse with their advancing to next phase before building the next structure, brits must build lieutenant to call in support truck, then must build a captain to call in  armor truck,  and PE has more  support vehicles  with thin armor , than any real tanks (aside from the late game panther group call in). All in all , soviets have the quickest  building tech of all to get tanks.

[PSIHOPAT]

Why all other factions have abilities for their vehicle or tanks,and soviets nothing ?

I fail to understand the reason.

[GamblerSK]

Because its a different faction it had + and also - its unique in many ways and that it don't have ability that's just like it is we can talk what they could have whole night so...and IS2 had ability to dig in but i think its from doctrine? don't know exactly as i play more against Russians...