New units and, Reward units

[otto man]

The KV-1 tanks should be a reward tank that replaces the su-85/100

Im not sure what to call this, but a soviet truck that can be upgraded ( not through armory) to become a supply truck and mobile reinforcement hq/outpost

what do you guys think?

[ford_prefect]

I like the KV-1 but I dont understand the 2nd part

[Voop_Bakon]

Think hes saying to upgrade the medic truck to reinforce.

Thats what an outpost is for.

KV-1 ftw though

[Paciat]

I guess the KW-1 would be a nice alternative.
Would it have ist own 76->85 gun upgrade or would the T-34 gun upgrade work for KW-1 too?

[Stefano1189]

IMHO.. the KV-1 would be the first heavy tank available for soviet in place of IS-2 (the IS-2 will be buildable after an upgrade in the "Soviet Supply Depot" ); in this way the game would be better balanced, cause the KV-1 is nice against stugIV e panzerIV but weak against panther and tiger. The IS-2 in the middle game is a too big advatange for soviet, while a "weaker" KV-1 is more historical e well balanced heavy tank for middle game. Then in late game Soviet can deploy IS-2 after a 250 or 300 ammo upgrade similar to T34\85 and SU-100 upgrades.

[Zerstörer]

If the KV1 was to be a reward unit, it would likely replace the T34...and would be probably along the lines of a churchill. As a similar upgrade you could have the KV-85...but this isn't likely to happen fellas 

[Loupblanc]

 Arrg I was afraid of this Bad people! Bad! Lol.
 don't make reward KV1 replace the T34!!
 And, yea, I agree. IS2 should come in later needing an
 upgrade before can come in

[Stefano1189]

If the KV1 was to be a reward unit, it would likely replace the T34...and would be probably along the lines of a churchill. As a similar upgrade you could have the KV-85...but this isn't likely to happen fellas 

The best line up:
|first-middle game|late - final stages|
T-34 -> T-34\85
SU-85 -> SU-100
KV-1 (76,2mmgun churchill hull)->KV-85 (85mmgun+ hp\arm.)
***upgrade IS-2*** -> IS-2

or an alternative can be (but i don't like it cause germans have many tanks and soviet would be pair:

500 man-100 fuel | 600 man 135 fuel upgrade: 300 ammo
KV-85 -> IS-2
Reward units:
propaganda Katyusha
urban c. KV-2
Armored Breathrough T-34\85 Guards + SU-152


German

STUH42 (vet 1,2,3)
StugIV (vet 1,2,3)
PanzerIV (vet 1,2,3)
Panther V (vet 1,2,3)
Tiger I   (vet 1,2,3)
King Tiger (Tiger II) (vet 1,2,3)
.........................................
Marder III (vet 1,2,3)
Panzer IV short-gun ( vet 1,2,3)
"Naked" Panther V (vet 1,2,3)
Jagdpanther ( i don't rememb... :-P) (vet 1,2,3)

Soviet only!!:

T-70 ( no upgrade or vet. )
T-34/76 - T34/85
SU-85 - SU-100
IS-2 (no upg)
SU-152 (no upg)
KV-1 (no upg)

T-34\76-85 isn't a new tank
Katyusha is like a faster nebelwerfer or stukazufuss with more rockets but the price is similar.

With the exception o naked panther of PE, the short-gun Panzer IV the germans have 8 different tanks and soviet 6 different tanks (but the T-70 is very weak despite the enemy side.. 3 panzer IV can be dangerous against a IS-2 (final tank for soviet), while 3-4 T-70 make smile the Panther or tiger :-)))

[Venoxxis]

you cant compare t-70's with panzer IV. its another class.
also you cant compare the amount of tanks of one
faction with 2 factions.

[Versedhorison]

I'd be keen to see the KV1 out there.

[Stefano1189]

you cant compare t-70's with panzer IV. its another class.
also you cant compare the amount of tanks of one
faction with 2 factions.

Ok, you're right; but soviet have few tanks than germans. Surely this game is not historically accurate but we have
SU-76
class BA armored car
KV-1 was produced more than KV-2 ( a moving tank-buster, i think it's number should be limited to 2 in game)
from wiki:
The appearance of the German Panther tank in the summer of 1943 convinced the Red Army to make a serious upgrade of its tank force for the first time since 1941. Soviet tanks needed bigger guns to take on the growing numbers of Panthers and the few Tigers.

A stopgap upgrade to the KV series was the short-lived KV-85 or Object 239. This was a KV-1S with a new turret designed for the IS-85, mounting the same 85 mm D-5T gun as the SU-85 and early versions of the T-34-85. Already-high demand for the gun slowed production of the KV-85 tremendously, and only 148 were built before the KV design was replaced. The KV-85 was produced in the fall and winter of 1943-44; they were sent to the front as of September 1943,the production of the KV-85 was stopped by the spring of 1944 once the IS-2 entered full scale production.

So it's logical to make available immediately the KV-1 model 1942 (or KV-1C) as heavy tank with a gun similar (i think a bit better) to T-34 but better armour so soviet can fight well PanzerIV,STUGIV and with an upgrade to sblock the IS-2 in the same time when german begin the production of Panther V.

[PSIHOPAT]

It would be great if we will have IS-3 as reward unit,and ISU-152 to be built in tank hall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iosif_Stalin_tank#IS-3

[hgghg4]

PSIHO, no... the ISU152 is a call on stop trying to have it replaced (though it does suck and I rarely ever use it)

[PSIHOPAT]

Make useful comments with better suggestions than what i told,and stop making comments about me.You have no power and no rights to speak in this way.You are just like any other else,and if want respect,must show respect.

[Venoxxis]

Make useful comments with better suggestions than what i told,and stop making comments about me.You have no power and no rights to speak in this way.You are just like any other else,and if want respect,must show respect.

please try to show respect on you own. You always try to start a fight somehow and you think that the other guy did start it. sorry but i have to say that.


@ topic/stefano

Your right about that, i would also like to see the KV-1.
but it must be a reward unit! for the T-34 in my opionion.

otherwise the red army would have to many tanks, and most of these would be useless as well.