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Offline VargasTheSick

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Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« on: February 06, 2010, 06:32:08 AM »
Could you please just balance the soviets and the AI. All your opponent needs to do, is have there partner  pick soviets and drop, and it's game over once the computer takes over.

I went against 2 level 4 scrubs with skirmishes of 200 wins and 400 losses. One of them dropped 4 mins into the game as me and my ally owned his soviet troops. 10 mins later, we were pretty much overrun by the entire soviet guy that dropped. His partner, the other human player, only had about 20 kills, by the end of it, showing you how useless he was. The computer on the other hand caps EVERYTHING. Not being able to retreat is godsent to these mother fuckers. They escape with one guy and thats all they need to cap everything. We were playing Duclair, and had top fuel point and bottom fuel point. However SOMEHOW the computer built a fuckin Firepit, a Tank Hall, and 3 tanks ALL within about 10 mins, with NO fuel  ( plus remember they can't cap what fuel they had anyway ). So the computer OBVIOUSLY cheats.

Im a level 15 Wehr Player, and level 12 PE ranked. So I know exactly what Im doing, as does my partner on Duclair. Please, fix this bullshit for the rest of the people. Im going back to regular CoH.
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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 09:55:57 AM »
So....what you are saying, is that you were playing guys who were far from good players bsed on those stats....owned them(so you were happy then)...but once one stopped and the AI kicked in, you couldn't beat that because the AI gets a resource boost to compensate for the obviously not being as good as a human player(most of the time)...You should have finished off that player way before the 5 minute mark but my guess is you underestimated the AI controlled player.

We don't get complaints for AI being challenging and owning people very often...well done, you've made that very short list!

Lesson for you there...
The only AI "boost" from difficulty level to difficulty level is the multiplier for resources.

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I believe Easy is 1.0 (meaning the same as a human), normal 1.1 or 1.2, hard a little higher and expert a little higher than that.

So say if it were 1.5 and their income would be 300 mp (using even numbers), they would get 450 mp per minute instead of 300 mp.

Though some accuse the AI of "cheating" due to this (which I understand the point, but vanilla AI does the same with resource bonuses AND health bonuses), the reality is the AI no matter how "smart" you make it needs extra resources to make more "human like" decisions.

Whereas you, the human, know to make a purchase/use an ability at the precise moment you have enough, the AI tends to want a little more than enough and always has some in reserve.  So, in reality, it doesn't fully use the bonuses it gets and never will.
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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 12:22:57 PM »
Please, fix this bullshit for the rest of the people. Im going back to regular CoH.

So long, and thanks for all the tears.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 12:27:17 PM »

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 02:34:12 PM »
Im going back to regular CoH.


Excuses excuses. It's not the mod's fault that you are such lousy player, after the 1.04 nerf even a decent PE player can keep the Normal-Hard AI in line.
no VargasTheSick , YOU are the scrubs.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 04:59:15 PM »

We don't get complaints for AI being challenging and owning people very often...well done, you've made that very short list!


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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 08:13:15 PM »
Let's see ANY of you scrubs upload a replay of you and your friend beating 2 Hard Soviet computer players on Duclair via VP. I'd love to see it happen. Unfortunately no one here could do it. So get off your fuckin high horse.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 08:36:23 PM »
ahaaa. Dude how old are you liike 5?
These people took 3 years making this Mod, Unpaid , and your moaning because of the AI. N you call everyone scrubs>?
 ???
You must seriously suck at COH.
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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 11:09:04 PM »
ahaaa. Dude how old are you liike 5?
These people took 3 years making this Mod, Unpaid , and your moaning because of the AI. N you call everyone scrubs>?
 ???
You must seriously suck at COH.

Level 15 Wehr Player on Ranked thank you very much. I don't mind a challenge against an A.I. However when I want that challenge against a machine that has more resources then I do, I'll go ahead and load that skirmish up. What is not fair is someone dropping early game, and then having to play against those cheating stats. Are you telling me you wouldn't get pissed of if someone drops 4 mins into the game, and the expert Soviet AI takes over and destroys you and lowers your level and stats ?.

Look at the " I think the AI just got better... " thread. Im not the only person bitching about this.

Again, I'd like to see anyone upload a replay of them beating 2 hard Soviets on Duclair via VP. If that CAN'T be done, guess what developers, you got a problem with your MOD.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 11:34:12 PM »

 I find that winning against the AI is :
 Survive the incredible hard initial/middle rush.
 Until he comes out with Katyushas... then it's game
 over, as he just spamss them one at a time and a
 simple puma kills 'em all :p
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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 01:47:13 AM »
ahaaa. Dude how old are you liike 5?
These people took 3 years making this Mod, Unpaid , and your moaning because of the AI. N you call everyone scrubs>?
 ???
You must seriously suck at COH.

Level 15 Wehr Player on Ranked thank you very much. I don't mind a challenge against an A.I. However when I want that challenge against a machine that has more resources then I do, I'll go ahead and load that skirmish up. What is not fair is someone dropping early game, and then having to play against those cheating stats. Are you telling me you wouldn't get pissed of if someone drops 4 mins into the game, and the expert Soviet AI takes over and destroys you and lowers your level and stats ?.

Look at the " I think the AI just got better... " thread. Im not the only person bitching about this.

Again, I'd like to see anyone upload a replay of them beating 2 hard Soviets on Duclair via VP. If that CAN'T be done, guess what developers, you got a problem with your MOD.

blah blah blah you've got giant e-peen and are better than us yeah?

The A.I has always got a resource bonus in CoH. If you look at the other AI threads they're mostly full of people saying how good and challenging the new AI is...but feel free to ignore them.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 01:57:39 AM »
dude no crap your not going to be able to play the Russians!!!!!! You went on about your score. OK well think about it. YOU got used to playing against the Americans and the English. So yeah your not going to be able to play against them. You just have to relearn everything that you learned.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 02:03:07 AM »
I have no problem beating the AI on Expert in regular CoH buddy. I however cannot beat the AI on an open map on hard. Put me on a map with choke points like Scheldt, Vire or Lyon and it's easy. However on a wide open map, where 90% of your battles online are going to take place, you just can't account for the soviets AI micromanagement and income. Now that's all fine, it's just the AI you say, so what's so big about that.  Well it becomes a damn big issue when people drop because of lag / shitty computers / running out of time / any other issues. Then you are paired against an opponent that has every advantage against you. Am I going to play chess against an opponent that has 5 more of every piece ?. Screw that. I like the advanced AI when I play them under my own settings, on a map of my choosing. However now Im more afraid of the opponent dropping and facing the computer then I am of ANY player.

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 03:08:47 AM »
vargas, complaining you cant beat the computer (weather it is difficult to achieve or not) says nothing about the game, try playing against good PEOPLE and i assure you, not only will you learn more and have more fun but youll get better at coh to, so when you get good youll be able to beat 2 hard comps on duclair w vp on....and with VP on is how the game is supposed to be played, VP ON NORMAL RESOURCES. 

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Re: Balance the soviets would ya and AI
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 07:00:55 AM »
vargas, complaining you cant beat the computer (weather it is difficult to achieve or not) says nothing about the game, try playing against good PEOPLE and i assure you, not only will you learn more and have more fun but youll get better at coh to, so when you get good youll be able to beat 2 hard comps on duclair w vp on....and with VP on is how the game is supposed to be played, VP ON NORMAL RESOURCES.

So... are you a good player ?. Can you and a friend beat duclair on hard against 2 soviets, and please upload a replay and show me how it's done ?. Did you not read that I am a level 15 RANKED Wehr player 1 on 1 , and level 12 PE RANKED 1 vs 1 ?. I think that alone speaks for my skill level. I am NOT a scrub player. I have NO problem beating other players. The problem I am complaining about is an overpowered AI that steps in " IF " someone drops in an online game.

As soon as someone beats them, and posts it, I will give you 100% applause and look up to you.