IS-2 OP!!!

[Shadowmetroid]

...T34s had to flank the Tiger...

Heheh, funny story: some T34 crews actually rammed Tigers and it worked rather well. But that won't be portrayed ingame.

I actually suggested ramming as an ability for T-34 long ago, and I still imagine the faces of commanders watching their Panthers and Tigers disappear under kamikaze attacks of T-34 ))) would be a great show ...

T-34 Ram: Targeted ability, Heavy tanks only.
Effects:  Engine Destroyed
            Tank Buttoned

...And the Axis Commanders cried OP once more...

[BlackDahliaMurder]

Ok first the panther was influenced from the T34 (historical fact)

fine! and the T34 was influenced by all other tanks that had angled armor before. oh and by Walter Christie thanks to his suspension system.

But you are speaking about "realistic facts", CoH is not that, or this game would not be possible, tanks would shot each other from the 2 extremities of the map.

no you misunderstood. I never said realistic in any of my posts and i never talked about realism at all. you didn't get my point. I said it's just ridiculous that a Tiger has to flank enemy tanks, because the 88mm could deal with any frontal armor during WW2... just saying.

And if you say "realist",

again, i didn't say the word "realistic" in my previous posts. do you need glasses?...

And the Il 2 Sturmkoviks should always be here owning german tanks.

ever heard of Erich Hartmann? he is the highest scoring fyling ace in the world with 352 conifrmed kills (planes). And he was not the only german ace in WW2, in total there were over 100 aces who shot down more than 100 enemy planes only on the Eastern Front.  you know math, just 100 * 100 and you have the sum. even the second best flying ace (Gerhard Barkhorn) is credited with 301 confirmed kills! and the list goes on.... so don't tell me anything about russian air force they were cannon fodder.

[w00tm0ng3r]

Can we get back to gameplay please? This is not a historical discussion forum, and even if it were this is devolving into rambling vitriol.

[Capt. Malashenko]

"...And the Axis Commanders cried OP once more..."
yeahh, if Tigers had a decent range, it would come together nicely, but now? OP OP OP - back to Battlefield episodes for us
But, T-34 came as a nice surprise indeed, in my opinion it is very well balanced, perhaps the best balanced tank in terms of "history" and game...

[BlackDahliaMurder]

If your so superior, why do you loose every battle with the Soviets and whine about OP?
And HISTORICALLY, GERMANS LOST and T-34 had the last lough.

a) nope, i'm not the one here whining about anything and i did not open this thread. I can play very well against the Soviets though 

b) Everyone around here knows, that Germany lost. but the Soviets didnt fight against 3 superpowers supported by 52 other nations.

c) do you know how many T34s had to be sacrificed for a handful Tigers?...

whatsoever let's keep history away from here. after i've plyaed with the new patch i think the game is somewhat good balanced.

Thanks EF Team!

[Shadowmetroid]

How many T34s were sacrificed? I know about 2-3 Shermans were sacrificed per Tiger...

[hgghg4]

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Haha no first i lol at you. Only because the Panther had angled armour doesn't mean it was influenced by the T34 at all. Many other tanks had angled armor before the T34 was designed. the Russians didn't invent sloped armour! And the T34 was also NOT the first tank in the world with angled armour on it. many other tanks with angled armor were built when the t34 was not even invented. It's ridiculous how you think the Russians invented everything lol.

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Actually Panthers WERE influenced by the wide tracked, slopped armor design of the T34/76 which where brought on the field in 1940. The T34/85 was brought out somewhere between late 1942 and early 1945 in order to better counter the new Panther and Tiger tanks.

The first Panther was brought out late 1942 while the second variant (Panther Ausf A.) was brought out in mid 1943. I do not claim that Russians make the best stuff as the Panther was arguably the best tank of WW2, but its concept was based off the T34... and please before you try and start a argument know what your talking about

[Shaq]

Its the fact that russia could build 1000 t34 per month, unlike germany producing super slow

[BlackDahliaMurder]

How many T34s were sacrificed? I know about 2-3 Shermans were sacrificed per Tiger...

lmao hmm let's see...the T34 had to come close as 300-100 meters just to be able to penetrate the side/read armor of the Tiger, while the 88mm gun could kill the T34 at 2 miles away! so yeah, more than thousand T34s were sacrificed of course.

look up the 503rd Heavy tank battalion claimed 1,700 tank kills on the eastern front for only 252 own Tigers destroyed.

and the 502nd Heavy Tank battalion reported a total of 1,400 tank kills for only 107 own losses. and the list goes on...

Actually Panthers WERE influenced by the wide tracked, slopped armor design of the T34/76 which where brought on the field in 1940.

Again, (I must have stated this at least 10 times now) Only the Panther's hull design is based on the T34, but armor isn't everything on a tank. the t34 wasnt engineered at all  and had no mechanics in it while the panther was extremely well and complex engineered with a mechanized turret. tankers in the T34s had to use handwheels to control the turret and main gun. While Panther crews only needed to use some controllers and the mechanics did all the work. The Panther was like a modern high-tech tank compared to russian tanks at that time. also the Russians copied the german cupola and mounted it on their own tanks. After 1944 all T34s were upgraded with a big cupola on the top of the turret for the commander.

The T34/85 was brought out somewhere between late 1942 and early 1945.

not 42, it saw first action in 1944 during the final battles.... a very short combat time before the war ended. Even the IS-2 was first employed (1943)

[doomlord52]

How many T34s were sacrificed? I know about 2-3 Shermans were sacrificed per Tiger...

Think 9 or 10 shermans per Tiger...
In a single battle a Tiger was hit some 250 times, it took out like 30 tanks and THEN drove 40 miles back to base for repairs. Tiger vs. sherman is a joke.


Anyway, right now the IS-2 is by no means OP. I have about as much trouble killing it as I do killing panthers. Its HARD, but not impossible. You just need some AT weapons and hit its flanks.
 
Its just different from the normal "whatever its a tank just shoot it" of the axis, in that you need to try and hit its side and rear armour.
 
My current record for fastest killing of an IS-2 is ONE shot.
 
 
Ok, fine, it was on a bride and the shot was from a hummell... Still, 1-shot kill.

[hgghg4]

lmao hmm let's see...the T34 had to come close as 300-100 meters just to be able to penetrate the side/read armor of the Tiger, while the 88mm gun could kill the T34 at 2 miles away! so yeah, more than thousand T34s were sacrificed of course.

No one is disputing the face that the T-34 suffered at the hand of the Tigers, but your distances are slightly off...

Again, (I must have stated this at least 10 times now) Only the Panther's hull design is based on the T34, but armor isn't everything on a tank. the t34 wasnt engineered at all  and had no mechanics in it while the panther was extremely well and complex engineered with a mechanized turret. tankers in the T34s had to use handwheels to control the turret and main gun. While Panther crews only needed to use some controllers and the mechanics did all the work. The Panther was like a modern high-tech tank compared to russian tanks at that time. also the Russians copied the german cupola and mounted it on their own tanks. After 1944 all T34s were upgraded with a big cupola on the top of the turret for the commander.

Like you are proving my statement, I said that the T-34 INFLUENCED which means it provided IDEAS... the germans did try and do an exact copy but they decided it was too unreliable because of that hand crank system... so they improved... but the Panther was still INFLUENCED (look up the meaning you'll be surprised) by the T-34

not 42, it saw first action in 1944 during the final battles.... a very short combat time before the war ended. Even the IS-2 was first employed (1943)

Do you even read? I said somewhere between late 1942 and early 1945 which means that I did not know the exact date off the top of my head and was somewhere in that time frame... but thank you for correcting an already correct statement... you are almost as bad as InsiderTrooper...almost... at least your not confusing reality with a game   

[jhc660]

Anyway, is this thread about the T34 now?
IS-2 got nerfed in the patch, didnt it?

[mikec_81]

I have been playing a couple of 1 v 1s and the IS-2 seems to come out ridiculously early. 

I play PE and nothing touches it.  Hetzer rounds bounce off as do Marder rounds.  I have not lived long enough to try Panthers vs IS-2. 

It wouldn't be so bad if the tank was actually slow like a KT.  You could move around and set up flank shots where its difficult to pull it out but the tank just zips around like any other tank.

If he makes a mistake, its quickly pulls back and you can't finish the job.

I don't mind such a unit but it does seem to come out way too quick.  Especially when I am dumping a lot of resources to fight off the early game mob.

[BlackDahliaMurder]

No one is disputing the face that the T-34 suffered at the hand of the Tigers, but your distances are slightly off...

*sigh* what are you trying to disprove? my penetartion figures were very exact. look it up, in 1943 the F-34 tank gun (used in the T34/76) could only penetrate 62mm armor at 500m distance which is clearly not enough to penetrate any of the Tiger's armor! Tiger had 80-100mm armor on all sides. Only at 100-200m distance the F-34 could penetrate 89mm armor only with Armour-piercing (AP) munition. so yeah, once again you just failed at being a wannabe smart@$s. 

The Panther influenced more tanks in the world than the T34 did. you don't believe me? just an example, the first tank with a night vision device (called vampyre) was the panther Ausf. G in 1945... and guess what.... all modern tanks today have a night vision device, even the Russians.  Does that mean that all MBTs that were designed after WW2 were influenced by the Panther only because it was the first tank with this device? because that's exactly what you say.


Or another example the Panzer IV was the first tank in the world with "spaced armor" (better known as Panzerschürze) which was later adopted by the Russians called "cage armor". So does that also mean all russian tranks in 1945 were influenced by the german Panzer IV only because they now used tank skirts like the Panzer IV did first?

[WhiteFlash]

guys the point is that the IS2 needs its pop increased to 14 and its maximum health decreased by 5-10% to make it a balanced unit in coh. thats all.