IS-2 OP!!!

[cts321]

how about we agree that the power and armor is similer to heavy tanks and that they are capible in real life to compare them

hey i can't get online i get stuck at the log in it ether causes me to have a sign in time of forever or my profile is buisse and i can't play

[BlackDahliaMurder]

Understood? You have to flank in order to win.

complot! that's historically false! Soviet tanks didn't have to be flanked by Tigers or Panthers! That's just wrong!

after the Panthers and Tigers were deployed on the battlefield, all Russian tanks could be eleminated at distances, where enemy tanks couldn't even aim at...the 75mm KwK 40 (one of the most powerful anti tank guns employed during WW2) could kill any soviet tank at two miles away! it just can't be right that a Tiger/Panther has to flank a soviet tank... that is ridiculous!

I've read quite alot of literature on World War II and all of the literature I have read, depict the Tiger as SUPERIOR! or are you telling me WW2 history is fake? There are no such thing as nazi party and hitler did not exist. We are brain washed to believe in this lie. LOL

T34s had to flank the Tiger... Shermans had to flank tigers.... but the Tiger itself... was not forced to flank any enemy tank at all! WHAT A BULLSHIT!

I have not tried playing with the new patch yet... but i hope after the patch the IS-2 will be limited! It's power is comparable to a Tiger and you can have ..how many?...5 IS-2s on the battlefield WTF.

[Capt. Malashenko]

I think they ment you`ll make more damage to Soviet tanks if you flank them, for everything else you`r right, Panther/Tiger gun range sucks, PaK has bigger range that that, I mean wtf?

[BlackDahliaMurder]

Too many people got used that German tanks are indestructible, and now it sucks for them when they encounter Soviet tanks with same approach.

ok LOL what are you trying to tell us by this, Malashenko?
IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT, GERMAN TANKS WERE SUPERIOR OF COURSE. FACE IT.

Get use to it, IS-2 is not Sherman or Churchill and you can`t destroy it that easily.

halfway true. most anti tank guns (used in medium tanks) had some difficults to penetrate 120mm of sloped armor, true. But that's only for medium tank guns, 88mm and 75mm kwk 40 could deal with this easilly anyway.

[firefree]

Capt. Malashenko,

Good point.  Perhaps we were used to the german tanks being top dog.  We will have to adapt, tread-buster plus marder is a good suggestion Zerstörer. 

[hgghg4]

ok LOL what are you trying to tell us by this, Malashenko?
IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT, GERMAN TANKS WERE SUPERIOR OF COURSE. FACE IT.

Get use to it, IS-2 is not Sherman or Churchill and you can`t destroy it that easily.

halfway true. most anti tank guns (used in medium tanks) had some difficults to penetrate 120mm of sloped armor, true. But that's only for medium tank guns, 88mm and 75mm kwk 40 could deal with this easilly anyway.

Can I lol at you? Did you know the Panther was designed based off of the T-34/76? Bet you didn't... The T-34/76s where so effective when they where first introduced that the Germans lost Tank superiority until the Panther and Tiger took the field, but by then the T-34s where up gunned to the 85mm Air Defense Cannon similar to that on the SU-85 giving them the ability to effectively counter the German Heavy armor with the exception of the Tiger and KT. But for the sake of Game Balance keep it the way it is stat wise

[Zerstörer]

COH ain't about historical accuracy...it doesn't really come into play that much...more like...loose guide lines. It's all about game/faction balance

As for german tanks being superior in WW2...well...not really. During the war it was an up and down situation.
What made the real difference was the tank/combined arms tactics and crew training that Germans had were considerably better than other countries for the most part

[w00tm0ng3r]

COH ain't about historical accuracy...it doesn't really come into play that much...more like...loose guide lines. It's all about game/faction balance

This exactly. Case in point: the upgunned puma and the pak use the exact same gun. World of difference. The Tiger I and the flak 88 also use for all intents and purposes the exact same gun. World of difference.

And zerstorer can you elaborate on the Is2's health? I didn't see any mention of it getting docked 400 hp in the changelog, just a increased mp cost.

And hgghg4, the Germans didn't LOSE tank superiority when the T-34 came out because they never HAD it until 1942. The main reason everyone laughs at the French military is because they got wtfpwned in 6 weeks despite crushing numerical and tank quality superiority (you know there's a problem when you have to get within 100 meters AND make a perfect 90 degree shot to the SIDE of an enemy LIGHT tank to kill it) and a number of allies.

[Panzerjager]

All I have to say on the topic is that people playing as wehrmact and panzer elite have to get out of the mindset that their tanks are the best. Get a reality check the soviets designed their tanks to go toe to toe with panzers, IS-2s were meant to combat Panthers and Tigers, upgunned T-34's were meant to take out Panzer IVs and Panthers. Sure I think the IS-2 is just a little bit too good but now you can finally have tanks to take out playing as the Axis because british and american players don't get tanks because theirs can't stand up to the Axis'.


Speech over.

[Ohmega]

Haven't had time to look at the stats just finishing a game, but seemed like my StuG (V3) had better penetration vs the IS2 than my two Panthers and a Tiger. I'd engage with the Panthers/Tiger to take the damage while the StuG rolled out and finished the threat. Over the course of the game (2v2), I lost 3 StuGs while the Soviets lost 2 IS2s, 4 SU, 1 KV, and 5 T-34/76.

While the IS2 does need balancing (my StuGs were lost early on, being 3-4 shotted by the IS2), it comes down to better tactics (just like WWII for the historical-reasoning crowd).

The BIG problem I keep running into is that the hulls of everything from IS2s to Katyushas act as super tank traps. Maybe it's just me, but when I can't run a T-34 through a Katyusha wreck or a KT through the burnt hull of a SU, especially on some of the EF maps, it seems very shenanigany.

[BlackDahliaMurder]

Can I lol at you? Did you know the Panther was designed based off of the T-34/76? Bet you didn't... The T-34/76s where so effective when they where first introduced that the Germans lost Tank superiority until the Panther and Tiger took the field, but by then the T-34s where up gunned to the 85mm Air Defense Cannon similar to that on the SU-85 giving them the ability to effectively counter the German Heavy armor with the exception of the Tiger and KT. But for the sake of Game Balance keep it the way it is stat wise

Haha no first i lol at you. Only because the Panther had angled armour doesn't mean it was influenced by the T34 at all. Many other tanks had angled armor before the T34 was designed. the Russians didn't invent sloped armour! And the T34 was also NOT the first tank in the world with angled armour on it. many other tanks with angled armor were built when the t34 was not even invented. It's ridiculous how you think the Russians invented everything lol.

Not only Tiegrs and panthers were superior to the T34. Almost EVERY german tank after 1943 was far superior. Only the upgunned Panzer IV with the long barrel had better firepower and bettera rmor as well (even though it was vertical but it was still 80mm thick!)

it's nothing special that T34s were superior to the light armored/armed Panzer II and IIIs. Panzer II was only armed with machine guns which was not even designed to fight against enemy tanks so it's not a real match.

guess why the T34 and all other russian tanks had good mobility. Right, because of Christie's suspension system. It was developed by the American Walter Christie who created the gear system for all russian tanks so they were fast.

in other words the T34 was half american. Did you know that? i doubt...

Russian tanks didn't even have radios or a simple cupola on the turret LOL. Russian tank crews had to use signal flags so they could not even make real tactics LOL LOL LOL ROFL LOL how poor is that? Dozen of T34s drove into german lines without a f*cking tactic and were killed in high numbers!  what a waste of men.-.-

[Iglooman]

Ok first the panther was influenced from the T34 (historical fact)

Understood? You have to flank in order to win.

complot! that's historically false! Soviet tanks didn't have to be flanked by Tigers or Panthers! That's just wrong!

after the Panthers and Tigers were deployed on the battlefield, all Russian tanks could be eleminated at distances, where enemy tanks couldn't even aim at...the 75mm KwK 40 (one of the most powerful anti tank guns employed during WW2) could kill any soviet tank at two miles away! it just can't be right that a Tiger/Panther has to flank a soviet tank... that is ridiculous!

I've read quite alot of literature on World War II and all of the literature I have read, depict the Tiger as SUPERIOR! or are you telling me WW2 history is fake? There are no such thing as nazi party and hitler did not exist. We are brain washed to believe in this lie. LOL

T34s had to flank the Tiger... Shermans had to flank tigers.... but the Tiger itself... was not forced to flank any enemy tank at all! WHAT A BULLSHIT!

I have not tried playing with the new patch yet... but i hope after the patch the IS-2 will be limited! It's power is comparable to a Tiger and you can have ..how many?...5 IS-2s on the battlefield WTF.

I meant as Cpt Malenshko said , to make more dommage.

But you are speaking about "realistic facts", CoH is not that, or this game would not be possible, tanks would shot each other from the 2 extremities of the map.

And if you say "realist", why would not we see 10 IS2/T34-85 for 1 Tiger as it was in reality. And the Il 2 Sturmkoviks should always be here owning german tanks. Actually early game should be german's as end game should be allies' .

CoH is based on realist facts but dont forget that is a game and it should be balanced. The war was not balanced.

[maccollo]

Just played a game of 4v4 (4 soviets vs 2 wher and 2 PE).
The Marder NEVER penetrated the IS-2 frontal armor. I had it fire at least 6 times in a row and it never penetrated, which is just silly considering that the paks, which don't cost any fuel, seemed to work just fine.

[Shadowmetroid]

...T34s had to flank the Tiger...

Heheh, funny story: some T34 crews actually rammed Tigers and it worked rather well. But that won't be portrayed ingame.

[Capt. Malashenko]

CoH is based on realist facts but dont forget that is a game and it should be balanced. The war was not balanced.

Exactly what I wanted to write (but you beat me to it ), CoH is a game, BUT based on real events, real equipment and REAL fighting capabilities, Panters should`nt get a "whole map" range (as much as some panzer commanders would like it ) but it should at least have a range of Marder or Firefly, if we`r talking about balance then Hotchkiss should fire like Ostwind, cause it is definitely not a substitute for Pz4 Stubby and in every way cost`s more that it can deliver.

ok LOL what are you trying to tell us by this, Malashenko?
IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT, GERMAN TANKS WERE SUPERIOR OF COURSE. FACE IT.

If your so superior, why do you loose every battle with the Soviets and whine about OP?
And HISTORICALLY, GERMANS LOST and T-34 had the last lough.
 

COH ain't about historical accuracy...it doesn't really come into play that much...more like...loose guide lines. It's all about game/faction balance

!??, CoH is based on WW2, but historical accuracy went in second plan to make a better game (witch I welcome) but some thing`s aren't balanced or logical, we have several 75mm and 88mm guns in game, ALL with different damage and range, but more importantly EVERY single one of them has smaller range then crappy 50 or 57mm AT gun? In the end it more pay`s of to build AT`s and inf. then spend time and resources on tanks, and that`s just sad.
@BlackDahliaMurder: Have to disappoint you, Soviets DID invent sloped armor, we DO have the best tanks, then and now, in the end, the last tank running - wins the battle, and that were ALWAYS Russian tanks.
And please, stop LOL`ing, it is very annoying.

...T34s had to flank the Tiger...

Heheh, funny story: some T34 crews actually rammed Tigers and it worked rather well. But that won't be portrayed ingame.

I actually suggested ramming as an ability for T-34 long ago, and I still imagine the faces of commanders watching their Panthers and Tigers disappear under kamikaze attacks of T-34 ))) would be a great show ...