russian tanks

[Capt. Malashenko]

Yeaahh, that`s why I asked. With T`s and KT`s I always try to defend the flanks, couse the frontal is very effective in bouncing enemy tank shell`s, but as you proved - it`s not always possible to avoid flank attacks, especialy with fast M10`s and now T-34`s...
Upgraded T-34`s are best tank killers, with 115 dmg they are as good as PaK`s.

[kabak]

What about killing SU-85 by 1 Puma without upgraded gun ?

It's ridiculous.

[xenotype]

IS-2 vs 3 Panzer IV G = IS-2 loses, 1 Panzer IV killed, 2 survives

Vetted or not vetted?  Question goes to the others too.  Any comparisons with panthers?

IS2 should kill a tiger head on.  600MP/150fuel is more valuable than 900MP instant call in.  If anything is going to be done to the IS2 (and I dont think anything should be done), raise the cost.  Historically, the thick armor and 120mm gun would have been more than a match for a tiger.

[Bauer]

I think that the IS-2 is too strong. IS-2 was rather comparable to a panther. Panther, in fact, could destroy the IS-2. Somewhat weak argument that the IS-2 was able to destroy the tiger 1 hit. Remember that this game will never be realistic. The game must be balanced for both parties. The cost of IS-2 would be higher because you have a lot of them. Germany may have 1 Tiger or 1 King Tiger. And Russians may have multiple IS-2. Playing 3vs3 without v1 germany are not able to destroy the Russian masses, and sooner or later even the veterans of Germany will begin to slowly bleed. To do this if engineers repairers wrecks ... Russians should pay more for improvements because the ammunition does not require them to virtually any support for free. Germany paid for improving the fuel so as to be quickly at the Russian tanks since the prices are astronomical? Russians should be a little difficult access for heavy tanks. There are only 2 solutions for the life of this mod, or seriously undermine the Russians or as soon as possible or add ostherr. Soon it comes to this that the players will be playing the Russians against the computer opponents only because no one will want to play for Germany.

[BlackDahliaMurder]

Vetted or not vetted?  Question goes to the others too.  Any comparisons with panthers?

not vettet. Which comparison with Panthers do you mean? i'm not sure what you meant but here is a list of quite a few tests (met head on head - frontal armor):

T34-76 vs Panther = Panther wins 70% health
T34-85 (upgraded) vs Panther = Panther wins 40% health
IS-2 vs Panther = IS-2 wins 60% health

IS2 should kill a tiger head on.

read again, it did. 

Historically, the thick armor and 120mm gun would have been more than a match for a tiger.

historically, it was a 122mm gun but of course, in terms of firepower and armor protection, the IS-2 was far superior to the Tiger I. Only the Tiger II was again superior to the IS-2 including any other russian tank built in WW2.

[Capt. Malashenko]

First of all, historically,

I think that the IS-2 is too strong. IS-2 was rather comparable to a panther.

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This is false. Panther is in no way comparable to an IS-2, it`s like compering a pony with a horse. IS -2 is supposed to be stronger then a Panther because it was build to out-class it. Panther was an extraordinary tank, but firepower/armor/mobility ratio of IS-2 and Panther can not be compared on any level. However, this is true:

Panther, in fact, could destroy the IS-2.

German guns had the best sight`s and optic`s in WW2, combine that with high quality tank and AT guns and that gave them the advantage to shoot first from camouflaged position and relatively safe distance. Panthers and Tigers were the culmination of that approach.
Another thing no one mentions is that you can not compere simply the thickness of the armor, cause no nation used the same formula for metal production, if fact Germany`s 50mm armor plate was far stronger then British 60mm (this was tested and proven by the British).
But let`s leave realism for a moment, this game is not Command&Conquer, you can`t expect to get a direct counter to every unit, "if he has IS-2 I`ll build a Panther and we`R equal " - it doesn`t work that way.
T-34 is weaker then Panther
T-34/85 is weaker the Panther
Su-85/100 can be defeated with little micro by Panther
IS-2 is stronger then a Panther - FACT.
Not every fuc*in unit in game can be defeated by Panther.
If you have dificulties destroying a IS-2 get a Panther with a PaK or some Shrecks and you`ll do fine.
Panzershrecks are more then effective against Russian armor (some may say too effective) - but you don`y see Soviet players bitching about OP, so stop crying over your Panther wrecks - and come up with some new tactics.
...6 days, that`s how long this mod`s out, and everyone is suddenly an expert on balance.